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    Ayumi hamasaki is offline Senior Member Regular
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    i would like to add in that no one could have kill misa....and it would be silly to do that.

    since she had already loses her memory.......

    and she commited suicide upon hearing Light's death
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal View Post
    It's possible, but to the degree that we saw? That wasn't the sort of mistake Light would make.
    Light's ego had overrun his intellect at that point. You're more right about the DN corrupting Light than you know: it corrupted his intellect too.

    Near was certain Light was Kira. Killing Mikami was underhanded and evil enough, it only makes sense that he would continue his work and finish the job with Light.
    All the proof he needed to convince himself Light was Kira. He obviously needed more evidence to prove it to the others.
    The events at the warehouse seem exactly like the work of the DN. Near just had to specify that Light would try to kill them and fail (thus proving to the team that he's Kira), then confess (thus solidifying it), and then die (before he can get away.
    You know what? Near is basically a young L. I can totally see L acting in the exact same manner Near had. If writing a Kira suspect's name in the DN is something that Near would do, L would do it too, in the exact same manner Near did it: to reveal Kira. And no way is L satisfied with using the DN to make a Kira suspect confess only because he truly believes the person is Kira. Both L and Near think the exact same way. Their suspicions aren't enough; they would definitely need solid evidence to bring Kira to justice.



    He was gloating and trying to humiliate Light. That wasn't about proving he was Kira, that was about humiliating him.
    Other way around. Light was the one obsessed with humiliating Near. Near was truly brilliant in that he goaded Light into making some mistakes perhaps. He made Light lose his cool, step one in defeating him.



    He could have accomplished that in a much safer and controlled manner. It was in his nature to do things in such a way that he was guaranteed victory. He wouldn't have made such a huge gamble on an idiotic plan.
    Think of it this way: If Mikami doesn't royally screw up, Light's plan goes off without a hitch and only he and Mikami walk out of that warehouse alive. That is the basic difference between Light looking like a genius and an idiot. And I would say the Yotsuba plan Light came up with was a much huger gamble than the warehouse deal, and if it hadn't worked out, I could see people calling that plan idiotic. The warehouse plan, while simple, was of a much smaller scale that Light could most easily keep track of. Remember, it wasn't Light who really screwed up that plan, it was Mikami. There where too many unknowns in the Yotsuba plan, too many ways for it to go wrong.



    That situation was completely different. At that time, Light had nearly been absolved of the Kira crimes, and L had just discovered how the DN killed. Plus, they had just caught Kira. That was dangerous, but it was nothing compared to the utter stupidity of writing the name in front of everyone in the warehouse.
    Uh, L never ever ever stopped suspecting Light, nor did he think there was only one Kira, and you must know that. Sure, L didn't know how Kira killed, but if he sees Light writing something moments after receiving the DN, and you know that later on the whole investigation team finds out how the DN works, then L is going to think back to when he saw Light write something after receiving the DN and Higuchi's death, and put 2+2 together like I said. Had he seen Light, that is. Light did it once, he had the ability to write a name quickly without being seen again.


    I surrender. I allow them to arrest me, and I get taken away. As soon as I'm locked up, I carefully (so as not to be seen) remove the scrap of Death Note (I'd have concealed more pieces all over my body, for the record) and write "Nate River. Brings the Death Notes to [my location], frees the prisoner there, and dies of a heart attack.", or something to that effect. Then, with my remaining time, I'd write the names of as many others from the warehouse as I could, instructing them to do similar things. Once I had the Death Notes and was free, I'd walk out.
    You seem to underestimate Near, Light's same mistake. What makes you think that after you/Light gets taken in that you wouldn't be completely bound and watched like a hawk, or in other words rendered completely unable to use a DN, just like L did with Light? And L at that time had no idea how Kira killed people. And not to mention that Near knew that Light kept that piece of DN in his watch. Near had full knowledge of Death Notes. No way your plan has any chance of working.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ayumi hamasaki
    i would like to add in that no one could have kill misa....and it would be silly to do that.

    since she had already loses her memory.......

    and she commited suicide upon hearing Light's death
    LOL, going with the theory presented in the thread, Near would've killed her based on his suspicions alone. And yes, that would be very silly.


    EDIT: This theory is interesting, but anyone wondering about it should really go back and read the last 6 or 7 chapters of DN. While you're at it, go back and read the Near/Mello arc too. Does Near really come off like a true brat? I can see how people would call him so, but he is also a coldblooded, facts and logic type of guy, just like L was. Along with that, Near seems to lack any semblance of emotion too. The act of writing Light's name in the DN based only on his strong suspicion and with no evidence to back it up is the act of a desperate fool, or someone bent on revenge, or a guy who simply thinks suspicion is enough to convict anyone of a crime. Very simply, Near isn't any one of those. Not even Light himself believed Near had any intent of killing him. The Matsuda theory on Near and Mikami seems valid enough, but Near only did what I fully believe L would've done: use a criminal he had hard evidence on to flush out a bigger evil. Remember, L wanted to confirm the DN on a criminal already on death row. That, in and of itself, makes Near very much like L, at least in thought process. Any type of plan L would think of and carry out is a plan Near would as well. The L I know would never use the DN to get a confession which could be bogus; no way he would be happy with that. He would need to prove it with evidence, facts and logic. Near is the same.
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    Near didn't kill Misa.

    Regarding that plan, I'd wait. I'd wait for as long as it took. Near wouldn't watch me forever. Besides, he didn't know about the watch.

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    Near could have lester or whatever his name is to put Light Yanigami(i think thats how its spelled) and on top of that put confess if light is kira and and ryuk kill him with a deathnote


    Also i wonder if u can print some1 name instead of writing it like type some1s name and use a deathnote page as the printing paper

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    Another reason that plan wouldn't work is because you would be telling Near to do something he would never do. They clarified that pretty well in the first half, that you can only control someone to the extent where they would do something they had the mindset for. Since he confessed, NONE of the people would ever do that.


    Also, if I was in that position, and I knew that I was screwed... I probably would've told Ryuk to give the note to someone who held the same morals as Kira or something so that the killings would continue even though Near won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sh1234 View Post
    Another reason that plan wouldn't work is because you would be telling Near to do something he would never do. They clarified that pretty well in the first half, that you can only control someone to the extent where they would do something they had the mindset for. Since he confessed, NONE of the people would ever do that.
    But Naomi would never have given up her quest to bring Kira to justice. Takada wouldn't have killed herself. It's clear that the Death Note can make people do things they don't want to do.

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    I think that its the intent of the author to make the ending so ambiguous ^^


    its certainly possible for Near to have manipulated both Light and Mikama.
    The burning of the DN at the end, can be said to be darn suspiscious, or you could argue that Near wanted to make sure that no one ever used it again.

    As others have mentioned, light isnt perfect, so its possible that he could have paniced and thus did something so out of character. Although in regards to his plan to kill Near, i would argue thats more of a underestimation of his opponents, he seemed to only see Near as his opponent, thus he disregarded the possibility that the other guys would shoot him.

    with both sides of the arguement, you can find alot of supporting evidence from the manga on whether near would or wouldnt do it. :P i have to admit, i'm a supported of Near didnt do it ^^
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    with regards to the posts before me, from memory, the condition of the DN is not: the death cant be out of character for that person.
    rather its "is that death possible?"

    casue Light making that police women hide herself somewhere and killing herself in the first half of DN, i would have to argue is something that person would never do, without being controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civtor View Post
    with regards to the posts before me, from memory, the condition of the DN is not: the death cant be out of character for that person.
    rather its "is that death possible?"

    casue Light making that police women hide herself somewhere and killing herself in the first half of DN, i would have to argue is something that person would never do, without being controlled.
    her fiance died, it's completely possible that she would've wanted to suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sh1234 View Post
    her fiance died, it's completely possible that she would've wanted to suicide.
    It goes against her nature, though.

    It's clear that the Death Note can make people do things they ordinarily wouldn't do. It just can't make them do the impossible, like reveal knowledge they don't have (the L doesn't trust the police thing), or be somewhere that they can't reach (like a prisoner ending up in Paris).

 

 
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