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    blizzar180 is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Thank you for that post. I will now post a warning of my own:

    Stop flaming, you two, or you will receive a time-out. I'd like to at least attempt to keep this thread on topic, and starting a flame war (especially while having nothing productive to add) isn't helping anything.
    thank you .

    i enjoyed the first arc very much...it was interesting to see raito and L duke it out in a mental battle. the second arc was still fun, though i didn't enjoy it so much...raito's end was eventual.

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    The reason the ending of Death Note sucked is simply that there was no possible good ending to write.

    If Light wins, and becomes the new god of earth, then we just had a manga that ended with the bad guy winning.

    If Near wins, then we just had the main character lose.

    Basically, no matter who won, the readers lost. I would've prefered an ending where Light won myself. Or having Light be struck down by Mikami for not being fanatical enough, that would have been an interesting twist.

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    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    His plan was supposed to be simple. It's stupid-ass Mikami's fault it didn't work. He took the real one from the vault, breaking his strict schedule to write Takada's name which he should have let Light handle it. If you'll remember, even Near said he was on the wrong trail until Mikami ran to the bank to get the real death note from the vault.

    Though while I saw Mikami freaking out "YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!" I thought it was a bit fishy, like another death note user was manipulating him to strike Light down indirectly. But then Matsuda Mentioned that maybe Near used the note to manipulate Mikami to help out his case. L wanted to test it, and so did Near, and that would have been the perfect test.

    And to all you ending haters, I loved it! I just thought Light was going to get executed, but I never suspected Ryuk to do that xD
    I'm a huge Near Fan, if you couldn't tell, so I was rooting for him the whole time anyway =P
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    raito just wasn't himself in the ending. he changed too much.

    the raito we all knew and loved would have had mikami keep torn pieces of death note paper with him at all times. seriously, he anticipated everything. near could only surpass raito with the help of mello. by himself, he will always be inferior to L. but L is the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erachima
    The reason the ending of Death Note sucked is simply that there was no possible good ending to write.
    Incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by erachima
    If Light wins, and becomes the new god of earth, then we just had a manga that ended with the bad guy winning.
    Light wasn't the bad guy. Light is a morally ambiguous hero.

    There is a good ending, and had 108 not been so horribly screwed up, DN's ending could still have been great. All that DN needed to have a good ending was a few pages at the end in the Shinigami world. We'd see a shinigami from behind, looking down at Earth...then we'd see a side view...last page would be a full frontal view of Shinigami Light, holding an apple, and saying, "Humans are...interesting".

    That ending would have been perfect. We'd assume that Ryuk was lying about Nothingness...to be precise; the Mu lines were pure editorial tampering. The editor wouldn't allow Light to win in any way.

    Shinigami Light-->good ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurairu
    His plan was supposed to be simple. It's stupid-ass Mikami's fault it didn't work. He took the real one from the vault, breaking his strict schedule to write Takada's name which he should have let Light handle it. If you'll remember, even Near said he was on the wrong trail until Mikami ran to the bank to get the real death note from the vault.

    Though while I saw Mikami freaking out "YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!" I thought it was a bit fishy, like another death note user was manipulating him to strike Light down indirectly. But then Matsuda Mentioned that maybe Near used the note to manipulate Mikami to help out his case. L wanted to test it, and so did Near, and that would have been the perfect test.

    And to all you ending haters, I loved it! I just thought Light was going to get executed, but I never suspected Ryuk to do that xD
    I'm a huge Near Fan, if you couldn't tell, so I was rooting for him the whole time anyway =P

    I echo your sentiments. The plan definitely could've worked if not for Mikami's screw up. I liked the ending a lot too. Mostly cause Light got exactly what he deserved at the end. Near is cool, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolerimmortal
    Light wasn't the bad guy. Light is a morally ambiguous hero.
    I dunno about that. I don't consider this guy a hero at all. Perhaps he was at the start, but not by the end. He bought into his own damn hype too much. He was gonna start killing slackers once he ran out of crooks for cryin out loud! Light was the villain, and I thought that was part of the manga's appeal, that you were following things through the villain's perspective. And, I still think that an ending with Light ending up as a Shinigami would've been too anticlimactic. An ending everyone sees coming is no fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058
    I dunno about that. I don't consider this guy a hero at all. Perhaps he was at the start, but not by the end. He bought into his own damn hype too much. He was gonna start killing slackers once he ran out of crooks for cryin out loud! Light was the villain, and I thought that was part of the manga's appeal, that you were following things through the villain's perspective. And, I still think that an ending with Light ending up as a Shinigami would've been too anticlimactic. An ending everyone sees coming is no fun.
    Definition of Hero:

    hero Audio pronunciation of "hero" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hr)
    n. pl. heroes

    1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
    2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
    3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.
    4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.

    As the protagonist, Light is the hero of Death Note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolerimmortal
    Definition of Hero:

    hero Audio pronunciation of "hero" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hr)
    n. pl. heroes

    1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
    2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
    3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.
    4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.

    As the protagonist, Light is the hero of Death Note.
    Is that a current definition? Cause it talks about mythology, and says the principal male character, like a female can't be a main character. And I highly doubt that when people think hero, all they think is main character. It doesn't jibe. It needs a serious update. By definition (which actually means nothing), perhaps, but in no other form is Light the hero of Death Note, seeing as how his qualities clash with the other definitions.

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    "You're pathetic, light. No, it's not like you at all." - Ryuuki

    This shows the author clearly knows that Light has "fallen out of character" at this point, and it is within the writer's intentions. Light wasn't even sane to begin with, and was desperate to live. He shouldn't be blamed for acting as he did, as his whole utopia would be right there if he hadn't lost against Near/Mello. He was a sore loser anyways, so it's completely natural that he acted the way he did. In that essence, he never lost character!

    As for the hero bit, Female isn't mentioned in the definition because a Female hero = heroine. :< Other than that, the definition does seem a bit inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriver058
    Is that a current definition? Cause it talks about mythology, and says the principal male character, like a female can't be a main character. And I highly doubt that when people think hero, all they think is main character. It doesn't jibe. It needs a serious update. By definition (which actually means nothing), perhaps, but in no other form is Light the hero of Death Note, seeing as how his qualities clash with the other definitions.
    The main female character can't be a hero. The main female character is a heroine.

    Light fits the second definition, and to a certain extent, the third. One could also make an argument that Light fits part of the first. That is a current definition, by the way.

 

 
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