08-24-2006, 06:25 PM
Personally, I think that theory sucks horribly. So much, that it just might happen... I do have a single counterpoint, though, which is that Allen's innocence did more than just replace his arm, it replaced his entire body for a minute there.
So long as we're bantering wild theories, I believe that the innocence and the Akuma's dark matter share a similar nature, based on the similar appearance Walker's innocence has to the high ranked akuma's --the ones who are stated to control dark matter-- in drawing style and representation.
Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
how do your powers grow?
"With gloves and scars and silver stars
and swords that I shoot from a bow,
yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."
08-25-2006, 09:36 PM
The danger of the Ark and other musings.
Noah's Ark has been said, by the Earl, to be the source of current humanity. It was then used by the Earl to create Akuma (presumably the black skeletons used in the ritual). Before he had the Ark, he definitely had some Akuma, as the battle between him and the original Innocence user predated the flood (if only by hours) and Noah used the Ark.
So, as has been explained, Noah used the Ark to create a vast majority of humanity so that his family wouldn't have to rely on incest. His (actual) children had children and they probably married with the created humans, flash forward several thousand years. So all humans by now have some Noah dna and the Noahs that we see likely aren't related directly. By which I mean, brother, sister etc. More likely they are distant cousins (very distant) who have a large amount of Noah genes that are visited by the Earl and given their "black" form which unlocks their superhuman abilities. The qualifications to be Noah may be shockingly similar as the qualifications to be an Exorcist... we'll see.
Noahs apparently are born with different abilities as opposed to them all having a similar set, some of these abilities may repeat however. Tiki is, currently, the only one who can phase and among the Noahs, Camelot is the only controller.
Before I get to the main point of this post (the danger of the Ark) I'm going to talk about controllers. Look at the battle tactics of the Noahs. We've seen Tiki and Camelot in a battle situation and they handled it differently. Tiki is a hands on (in?) kind of guy but he does use the cannibal golem "Tease" as a weapon. Camelot on the other hand tends to hang back and let Akuma do most of the fighting. The same with the Earl, who was also identified as a controller. Cross has been shown to be able to manipulate Akuma much like Camelot, giving them orders and teling them to self destruct under certain situations. I believe that controllers are capable of controlling not only the Ark, but that which is created by the Ark, the Akuma. Akuma skeletons are created by Dark Matter, which seems to be increasingly similar to Innocence. Which brings me to my final hypothesis.
The Ark, which is capable of creating Dark Matter to make Akuma, and is also capable of making living breathing humans, could create Innocence. As it stands, there was something like 109 pieces from the original batch, which means the total number of Exorcists could never go beyond that number. With all human weapons, magical or technological, being apparently useless and the number of Akuma increasing constantly (-ish) humanity is pretty much screwed. Unless they can get their controller (Cross?) to a working Ark. If that happens, then the DRO will have a sudden surplus of Innocence and from there, all they would need are Exorcists. The battle of Edo may well be the turning point of the entire war.
08-26-2006, 05:09 PM
Hmm... Interesting theory; however there are currently only about 92 (10 from the general +the six dead exorsists +the guy who 'fell'=17; 109-17=92) innocence left; and I am pretty sure the 109 predated the war between Noah and the earl. Additionaly they only had 20 exorcists despite having at least twice that many innocence.
Aside from that, i'd like to raise a few questions that are likely to be adressed in the future of D.Grayman.
Firstly, what exactly is Allan's left eye. We know that it is a 'curse' from Mana, yet how did Mana know how to give Allan that 'curse' and why did it look something like a high level Akuma when we saw it manifest after his eye was injured. Also, how is Allan linked to the Noah who betrayed the Earl?
The most logical progresion I can think from there is that Mana was in fact the one they just mentioned in chapter 86.
Aside from that the largest questions are: who has the Heart, why are the Noah's decendents all aligned with the Earl, why did they give Allan Noah's arc, and what exactly is Kanda's tattoe (A part of mugen, or a completely seperate entity)
08-26-2006, 09:23 PM
Ah, I remember trying to think this through and decided that the important thing is that there aren't many.
Originally Posted by Shadell
A lot of people would agree with you. I mostly due, but like to argue and comment so... Well, the doorkeeper (which I think was a golem of some type) identified the eye as a curse. I suppose it isn't completely unnusual for a person to get an Akuma curse. The fact that the only time we saw someone get a curse was from a soul in a Dark Matter skeleton who had control over his actions. Usually when an Akuma is made, they kill the person who made it. So it may not be unusual for a person to be cursed but they usually die first. The curse itself was just some kind of spiteful thing who knows if he knew what he was actually doing. As for what it is? Could be a piece of Dark Matter placed in his eye... would explain how its been evolving...
Originally Posted by Shadell
The ex-Noah could have been anyone, but he's dead so who cares? Just a joke... unfortunately it could be a character and it could be someone we never hear of or have heard of.
If the ability to be a controller can be passed on, anyone who has ever had contact with the current controller (presumed to be Cross) could be a new one and so on and so on. Powerful exorcists are likely targets if only so it stays in safe hands. That is why Generals are specifically targetted and why Tiki is targetting associates of Cross. The Heart is also a very important target, but like the controller, they have no idea what it looks like.
Btw, low level Akuma have no sense of self right? How is this manifested? The first Akuma we saw pretended to be the people they killed, even feeling bad about killing those around them. Later, level ones are just barely capable of cognative thought. Level two and three get personalities that are normally obsessed with something, right? Dark Matter skeletons seem to have all of the memories of their souls... when is this supressed by the Akuma? hmmm...
Oooo lightning round huh? ok...
Originally Posted by Shadell
Who has the Heart? Pass... wait no... yes
Alignment of Noah's descendants? The Earl gives them their power and thus only chooses people who would align themselves with him. (maybe)
The Ark? Allen's ark is used to traverse time/space, the Akuma's last order was to bring Allen to Edo, he can't do that so he's giving him the means to do so. Or Allen managed to convert him/put the human soul in control of the body. We don't really know what a converted Akuma goes through...
Kanda's tattoo? We can't forget that magic exists in D Gray-man, and Kanda's tattoo may just be that. It seems to give him an immortal body in exchange for a greatly limited life time, as it loses its effectiveness and seems to be tied to the rose in his room, which when wilted will signal his death (think Beauty and the Beast). Hmmm... Kanda is Japanese and the character on his chest looks... oriental... I guess. The person he's after may not be the person who put the spell on him. It's defintely not a part of Mugen though.
08-27-2006, 12:31 AM
the tatoo in kanda's chest, isn't it a ... like you know in japanese first incanation when they want to excorcist a ghost "On.." ?
but still, curious where did he get that.
08-27-2006, 10:49 AM
Is it almost over?
Okay guys this is just a theory but doesn't it seem like D. Gray Man is about to end? I know this might sound really wierd and I might be completely wrong but think about it! Allen Walker has his insane Akuma destroying Innonence which went through this awesome evolution and can probably own like a thousand level 3's, all the Noah are all together along with the Earl, the side characters have all been united, the good Generals are in Japan as well, and the Earl is fighting like crazy. Think really hard!!! I got this theory from Gades0102 so if I'm wrong you guys can blame him. I hope I'm wrong, but all we can do now is pray.
08-27-2006, 12:33 PM
It does kinda seems that D-grayman is nearing its end and I for 1 won't be sad because i hate it when shounen series drag on and lose their edge. need i name names?
Originally Posted by Arvis
08-27-2006, 02:28 PM
I don't feel that D.Gray-Man is nearing it's end. It's just reaching it's biggest climax! Perhaps after the big Noahs-with-Arc-in-Japan-with-Bajillion-Akumas arc is over, maybe it'll end soon, but who knows how long that'll last. It could be quite long (or not....) Rinali versus the lvl. three Akuma on the ship in volume seven lasted the entire volume, so maybe it still has a bit to go...
08-27-2006, 04:27 PM
I really don't think D.Gray-Man is nearing it's end. Like Aya said, it's just reaching it's biggest climaz there are still a lot of things left unaswered, such as (Spoilers a head to those note up-to-dae with the nest chapters):
-Allen, and the thing with him being the "Destroyer of Time"
-What's the deal behind Kanda's tatoo and his life-span. Those who read Reverse vaughly know, but we still don't know of it's origins and ties to "That Person"
-...Who "That Person" is.
-The meaning of Linali's (I hate calling her that, but I'll need to get used to it since it's the offical translation. :[ ) "end of the world" dreams.
-If Linali really is is the heart, and what will happen to her if she is.
-Allen's eye, previously mentioned by Shadell
08-27-2006, 04:36 PM
this manga will probably go over 200 chapters