Thread: D.Gray-Man Chapter 184 - Link is such a gentleman.

@ Tera : thanks,I kinda missed that :/

@death :

so one thing i noticed but forgot to mention in my first post, it seems that the Musician is using Allen´s affection for his brother to successfully take control of his body, either that Mana himself or the 14th Noa, i don´t know but i´d sure as hell aprecciate some actual interaction between Mana and Allen again since he´s now far more than we originally knew about him.

That could be,but perhaps Mana somehow tries to let Allen control the 14th [even if it´s improbable,but yeah...]

Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt

Well, like i said there was a big emphasis on Kanda´s last scream like it had greater meaning than usual, besides i think everyone knows that the sword only physically cuts evil. That alone should be enough for Kanda to noticed something was wrong.

then again, i could be talking out of my ass here.

It's really hard to say what was up now. Kanda wasn't around to see what happened to Tyki (in fact, I wonder if that's why Lenalee, Lavi and Chaozii WEREN'T on this mission - Link and Marie weren't there, either). If Kanda didn't see the results for himself, or hear of them, he could always assume that Allen was wrong and therefore did something really stupid. Then again, he might have noticed something was up - Lenalee certainly did.

(Of course, Kanda isn't Lenalee...)

Tikky mentions his wounds are aching, specifically the ones that Allen made with his exorcising sword which turned him into a "complete" Noah. That, the sorrowfull expression on Road´s face, her several wounds and the place smashed up with those freaky heads reflecting on the glass pieces (Like the Musician reflected when Allen looked in the mirror) definitely tells me that something is up. Tikky sin´t no the same arrogant guy whihc used to total control of the situation.

But he wasn't like this the last time we saw him. I guess it could be his new, er, "private" face... or something... It doesn't seem like this is the only Tyki that exists now.

Also one thing i noticed but forgot to mention in my first post, it seems that the Musician is using Allen´s affection for his brother to successfully take control of his body, either that Mana himself or the 14th Noa, i don´t know but i´d sure as hell aprecciate some actual interaction between Mana and Allen again since he´s now far more than we originally knew about him.

Is that the 14th acting, though? It could be that the 14th isn't actually an active spirit, but the result of whatever Allen does. It's not as if Allen's dream wouldn't entirely be due to his own insecurities. He remembers the level 4's comment on his sword, for instance. It could have been the 14th playing to Allen's insecurities about that and Mana... but it could also be Allen's subconscious.

Also, the voice Allen hears seems far more likely to be either Innocence or himself than the 14th (well, for one, the 14th speaks entirely in katakana, so it's pretty much proof that wasn't him talking - you'd have had to know the raw for that, though).

But he wasn't like this the last time we saw him. I guess it could be his new, er, "private" face... or something... It doesn't seem like this is the only Tyki that exists now.

Well, the first time we saw him, he was hiding among high class humans, a characteristic that he´s known for, he likes mingle with them, living a human life.

What´s different here it´s his "awakened" Noah form, which is something alien to him now,

Either that or there are two Tyki´s like you said, although i don´t find it likely.

Is that the 14th acting, though? It could be that the 14th isn't actually an active spirit, but the result of whatever Allen does. It's not as if Allen's dream wouldn't entirely be due to his own insecurities. He remembers the level 4's comment on his sword, for instance. It could have been the 14th playing to Allen's insecurities about that and Mana... but it could also be Allen's subconscious.

The dream greatly resembles Lenalle´s "premonition dream" which had at least some paranormal source to it, it could go either way really, the 14th is either taking a semi proactive role in the possession of Allen´s body or he takes a plunge everytime Allen´s subconscious makes him vulnerable or unaware of the whole "Mana could be using you all along" because regardless of what´s exactly happening Allen was possessed for a few seconds there.

Also, the voice Allen hears seems far more likely to be either Innocence or himself than the 14th (well, for one, the 14th speaks entirely in katakana, so it's pretty much proof that wasn't him talking - you'd have had to know the raw for that, though).

He could might as well mimic other voices as far as we know, why would his innocence talk to him in such an peculiar manner?

Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt

Well, the first time we saw him, he was hiding among high class humans, a characteristic that he´s known for, he likes mingle with them, living a human life.

What´s different here it´s his "awakened" Noah form, which is something alien to him now,

Either that or there are two Tyki´s like you said, although i don´t find it likely.

I meant that Tyki was arrogant and all that in chapter 158 as well. Yes, he was still around people, but his skin was dark... darker than this, actually. It seems more like Tyki's just a complex character who can be insecure and only shows it around people he's close to.

The dream greatly resembles Lenalle´s "premonition dream" which had at least some paranormal source to it, it could go either way really, the 14th is either taking a semi proactive role in the possession of Allen´s body or he takes a plunge everytime Allen´s subconscious makes him vulnerable or unaware of the whole "Mana could be using you all along" because regardless of what´s exactly happening Allen was possessed for a few seconds there.

Yeah... whatever happened, the 14th took over until Lenalee jolted Allen back to reality. I'm not quite sure Mana is the key here (in 183, Allen was reminiscing happily about Mana with no sign of this doubt or distrust); he seems more like the method used to make Allen forget about himself. In the dream, Allen became a small child again...

He could might as well mimic other voices as far as we know, why would his innocence talk to him in such an peculiar manner?

It's not about mimicking - it's not so much the style as the... not font, but it's more like that. The shadow used it, and the 14th himself used it. If it's not his Innocence, could it be Allen himself, expressing his subconscious thoughts and feelings?