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    ^I second that....I really thought that his death would have more "dignity"....

    Anyway,I too hope DGM will have a happy end (that also means taking care of that damned Church -.-" xD)

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    Firstly, taking care of church will pretty much remove the system that is defending humanity from all evil (in manga i mean, no in rl ;p), and considering Earl is pretty much immortal, its not the wisest thign to do. So they'll have to creat another organization of the same paramets, that'll soon become just as old one. So no happy end in this sense.

    Secndly, Allen got like 5 years to live at best. How is the happy ending possible?

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    ^Whut?Why only 5 years?Shit,I missed something again xD(or I forgot it *lol)

    And they should remove the Church AFTER killing the Earl...but after that they wonīt need to fight anymore,so it would be kinda pointless.But nonetheless: for a church to see Exorcists only as their tools,itīs just ungodly xD

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    Yeah, about 5 years. Digi will probably correct me though, but thats about it.

    Well, killing Earl will be .... hard.... although i'm rather sure (as this is a manga) they'll end up doing it. And after that church will be sure to remove exorcists - as thsoe tools whould not be of any use anymore, dangerous still.

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    Allen's life is shortened because he has a parasitic Innocence, but I doubt he only has five years left to live. How much life could it take in the... eight years he's had it so far? (We have no reason to believe that it mattered before it first activated, so until then...). It simply wouldn't be efficient for Innocence to shorten the user's life so much. Think of it this way: what if it took a year off the user's life each time s/he used it? Assuming Innocence is used four times a month, that's forty-eight years gone in just a single year of time. Characters like Suman and Klaud, who are/were over thirty, probably wouldn't even be alive by now! So it can't have that big of an impact on the Accomodator's life.

    I think the most reasonable assumption, combined with a happy ending, is that it might shorten his life by up to half. Allen's a pretty healthy guy and we have octogenarians kicking butt in DGM with no apparent negative impact on their health, so it's not unreasonable to believe that Allen could still live to be fifty or more. Of course, DGM is a manga, so it'll probably go the Chrno Crusade route, but this would make more sense.

    Additionally, Hoshino contradicts herself on that topic: Hevlaska, a parasitic-type Accomodator, is actually over a hundred. It's probably just her, but it just goes to show that the fact was a really lame plot twist that hasn't affected the manga thus far, probably won't, and it was a mistake to put it in at all. Seriously.

    It's doubtful that the Order/Central will just cease to exist after the Earl is defeated. Where would everyone go? And would those with power really want to give it up? Something has to be done about them, that's for sure. I don't think it'd have too big of an impact on the world if they did it before the Earl, though... The Earl's plans are already in their final stages. Sooner or later, they're probably going to have to fight the Exorcists anyway. Of course, it would be difficult without the scientists/medical staff/etc... but then again, couldn't the Order function without Central? There might be a problem with where money comes from, but depending on how close the upcoming Earl fight is, that might not actually prove to be a problem (if they have enough to last them a week or so).
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    ^Good that you corrected reinard,he threw me off track xD

    And I only donīt like it how Central functions...and I bet that if the Earl is out of sight,they would try to take control over the world of something....^^

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    YAY a discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Allen's life is shortened because he has a parasitic Innocence, but I doubt he only has five years left to live. How much life could it take in the... eight years he's had it so far? (We have no reason to believe that it mattered before it first activated, so until then...). It simply wouldn't be efficient for Innocence to shorten the user's life so much. Think of it this way: what if it took a year off the user's life each time s/he used it? Assuming Innocence is used four times a month, that's forty-eight years gone in just a single year of time. Characters like Suman and Klaud, who are/were over thirty, probably wouldn't even be alive by now! So it can't have that big of an impact on the Accomodator's life.

    I think the most reasonable assumption, combined with a happy ending, is that it might shorten his life by up to half. Allen's a pretty healthy guy and we have octogenarians kicking butt in DGM with no apparent negative impact on their health, so it's not unreasonable to believe that Allen could still live to be fifty or more. Of course, DGM is a manga, so it'll probably go the Chrno Crusade route, but this would make more sense.
    Half of life is kinda vogue.... if he has, say, mutated APP protein he'll die of Alzheimers at 25, so half if his life is 12,5. If he is prerfectly healthy half of life would be 40-45, so he'd die at 45. As we have no way too know its really pointless thing to argue over, the numbers i mean, i suggest we dropped it right away. The reason i used 5 years before was becaue i recalled this number was said before in this scetion regarding Allen's life, but perhaps i got that one wrong.

    I'm rather sure each innocence has different impact, especially Klaud who is pretty special so is not the best example. Summan got his innocence when he was a mature man already (hopefully here my memory won't play another joke ;p) so we have no idea how bad its impact was on his health.

    And i'd love Chrono-style ending. I don't like characters enough to wish for tehir happines despite all plot's logic, as it happened in other mangas several times.

    Additionally, Hoshino contradicts herself on that topic: Hevlaska, a parasitic-type Accomodator, is actually over a hundred. It's probably just her, but it just goes to show that the fact was a really lame plot twist that hasn't affected the manga thus far, probably won't, and it was a mistake to put it in at all. Seriously.
    Why lame? And again, all innocences are special. Hevlaska is hardly a fighting type, not to mention that her body was affected seriously. Effects differ.

    It's doubtful that the Order/Central will just cease to exist after the Earl is defeated. Where would everyone go? And would those with power really want to give it up? Something has to be done about them, that's for sure. I don't think it'd have too big of an impact on the world if they did it before the Earl, though... The Earl's plans are already in their final stages. Sooner or later, they're probably going to have to fight the Exorcists anyway. Of course, it would be difficult without the scientists/medical staff/etc... but then again, couldn't the Order function without Central? There might be a problem with where money comes from, but depending on how close the upcoming Earl fight is, that might not actually prove to be a problem (if they have enough to last them a week or so).
    Exactly, those with power won;t just give it up like that. And no, no organism can function without a center comanding it, be it nevrous system or nucleus. If you tale out center all other parts will be in chaos by weekend.

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    ^Good that you corrected reinard,he threw me off track xD
    Buu T_T I did not do that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Half of life is kinda vogue.... if he has, say, mutated APP protein he'll die of Alzheimers at 25, so half if his life is 12,5. If he is prerfectly healthy half of life would be 40-45, so he'd die at 45. As we have no way too know its really pointless thing to argue over, the numbers i mean, i suggest we dropped it right away. The reason i used 5 years before was becaue i recalled this number was said before in this scetion regarding Allen's life, but perhaps i got that one wrong.
    It is vague, yeah, because we don't have any how long he'd live normally. Seeing as we don't know anyone who died naturally at a young age (except possibly Mana, but...), it's... well, yeah. :3

    I'm rather sure each innocence has different impact, especially Klaud who is pretty special so is not the best example. Summan got his innocence when he was a mature man already (hopefully here my memory won't play another joke ;p) so we have no idea how bad its impact was on his health.
    Klaud is special; we don't know how her Innocence affects her or even how it's parasitic. Suman... true, but it still goes back to my earlier logic. He was older when he got it, but if Innocence shortens lifespans by that much, being mature would have a far greater impact on him than, say, Allen. And it would also mean that old people couldn't have parasitic-types at all. There were no indications that Suman was suffering from the parasitic-type, though, in that sense.

    And i'd love Chrono-style ending. I don't like characters enough to wish for tehir happines despite all plot's logic, as it happened in other mangas several times.
    A Chrno-style ending would feel too cliche to me. What was the point of putting it in at all except for more potential angst?

    I think DGM needs a happy ending because there's been so many depressing things in it. If Allen dies at the end, or dies young, I think it'd feel like way too much. After all, he's had a completely miserable life so far! It'd end up feeling more like A Series of Unfortunate Events! And besides, DGM's audience is fairly young boys. You've seen how characters never die in shounen manga...

    Why lame? And again, all innocences are special. Hevlaska is hardly a fighting type, not to mention that her body was affected seriously. Effects differ.
    Lame because it doesn't really feel as if there was a point to it. It feels like the revelation was meant to shock and depress readers, because it hasn't had an impact on the story so far. Lenalee didn't even become a parasitic-type! If we'd known since the beginning, or fairly early on, that'd be one thing - but this is volume 16!

    Hevlaska's Innocence may be special, but it was stated that ALL parasitic-types have a shorter lifespan. So either Hevlaska's wrong (and hopefully we'll see no more of this), or she's right and something was messed up in writing that part.

    Exactly, those with power won;t just give it up like that. And no, no organism can function without a center comanding it, be it nevrous system or nucleus. If you tale out center all other parts will be in chaos by weekend.
    The Order will still have a centre: Komui. Although it's under the control of Central, it seems to be quite self-sufficient in that respect, with working hierarchies and enough staff to make things work. It wouldn't have the resources to last very long (if they do get funds for food/supplies/all of that - no one at the Order gets paid, I believe), but with a war approaching, how long do they need to? The Earl might even take advantage of that "weakness" and attack.
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    @ reinard: thereīs enough shit in RL,at least in mangas there should be happy endings xD
    I think Chrno was the first anime I saw with a not-so-happy-ending....

    Regarding the Earl and the Central,I think that after they kill off the Earl,the times might change...There will be no need for a "nucleus" to give orders around,because the church wonīt take part in wars anymore....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    @ reinard: thereīs enough shit in RL,at least in mangas there should be happy endings xD
    I think Chrno was the first anime I saw with a not-so-happy-ending....
    I've seen more. Some of them work with sad endings - Chrno did, and Nana probably will have a semi-sad ending. But those were different. Chrno ran for eight volumes and had essentially no filler; it was more of a regular story. DGM is a Jump manga that's been running for at least four years now and will probably go for at least four more. People become far more attached to those characters, and the series itself is more successful. Could a sad ending exist at all?

    Regarding the Earl and the Central,I think that after they kill off the Earl,the times might change...There will be no need for a "nucleus" to give orders around,because the church wonīt take part in wars anymore....
    There'll be no need for the Order, unless the scientists want to hang around and keep creating advances in technology. As for Central... if it's part of the Vatican, it'll stick around because the Earl isn't its sole purpose for existing, right?
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