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    How about the 14th killed General Cross? Maybe he took over Allen for a while and killed him.

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    Impossible, as stated before. Not only was Allen asleep with Lenalee all night (he would've woken her up if he'd moved), the timing of Allen waking up just after Cross was shot - you can see with the sun/weather - means he was asleep when it happened.

    And where would Allen get a gun?
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    I also find that possibilty unlikely, but not impossible. The thing with Lenalee sleeping on his shoulder could've been used to make us readers think that I couldn't have been Allen.
    The 14th could've awaken for a while and slipped away without waking up Lenalee, killed Cross (who would obviously drop his guard when he realized his student was at the door), and came back to Lenalee. With Allen having no recollection of what happened.
    You never now.

    About the gun. At first I thought that Allen, after Cross had relaxed at seeing his student, could've gotten a hold of Cross's own weapon and shot him with it. But Allen or anybody else probably can't even use it.
    But then again doesn't Allen's are transform into something that kinda like a gun? Maybe it can make a wound similar to a gunshot.

    Right now I'd say that the biggest problem with that theory is the question "who took the body away when the guy looked inthe room".
    When did this happen? Before Allen woke up? Could he have done this, do whatever he did with the body (maybe use the arc to get it away quickly) and gotten back to Lenalee? Or did they find the body after he woke up (that would probably destory the theory because I doubt the 14th would have an accomplice)? I can't remember and don't want to reread it right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    I also find that possibilty unlikely, but not impossible. The thing with Lenalee sleeping on his shoulder could've been used to make us readers think that I couldn't have been Allen.
    The 14th could've awaken for a while and slipped away without waking up Lenalee, killed Cross (who would obviously drop his guard when he realized his student was at the door), and came back to Lenalee. With Allen having no recollection of what happened.
    You never now.
    Two problems with this, though:

    1) How could he have gotten back into that same position with Lenalee? It's not like they were just sleeping next to each other - for Allen to wake up and move, Lenalee would have been moved or possibly even fallen over. And then to return to that? Very unlikely.

    2) Cross already had his guard up. Why would it be any different with Allen? Actually, wouldn't it be worse - right after that conversation? It seems equally likely, or more so, that the other person was just faster since s/he didn't have to worry about making sure the person really was an assailant.

    About the gun. At first I thought that Allen, after Cross had relaxed at seeing his student, could've gotten a hold of Cross's own weapon and shot him with it. But Allen or anybody else probably can't even use it.
    But then again doesn't Allen's are transform into something that kinda like a gun? Maybe it can make a wound similar to a gunshot.
    Cross had Judgment and it fell from his hand in a natural position. Allen HAD a gun-like transformation, but it was some kind of energy weapon - I presume a bullet was found or something that would indicate that it was a normal gun, or we'd have heard about it by now.

    Right now I'd say that the biggest problem with that theory is the question "who took the body away when the guy looked inthe room".
    When did this happen? Before Allen woke up? Could he have done this, do whatever he did with the body (maybe use the arc to get it away quickly) and gotten back to Lenalee? Or did they find the body after he woke up (that would probably destory the theory because I doubt the 14th would have an accomplice)? I can't remember and don't want to reread it right now.
    I think that pretty much excludes all possibility of it being Allen - and for him to go out the window and then return unscathed? No sign of having been outside or anything, no blood? That's some clever 14th right there. I think the most likely possibility was that the killer remained in the room (the guard didn't take a good look, or see the entire room) and then escaped with the body after the corpse had been spotted. Perhaps they wanted the murder to be discovered, but not for the body to be inspected? And why would the 14th want that?

    It makes much more sense for it to have been Central. They have means (Crow), motive (Cross is something of a wild card and possibly a traitor, to summarize), opportunity (Crow RIGHT THERE IN THE BUILDING AT THAT TIME) - and a reason for wanting the corpse to be seen (as a warning to the other Order members, I presume, or to stop a search from happening so the Order can focus their resources on something else) but perhaps not examined (if something was unusual about Cross).
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    I will make a safe bet and say it's a character we haven't seen yet. Or maybe, Cross planned the whole thing and shot himself. The knock on the door would be a vintriloquist act.

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    Could be, but it just seems so un-Crosslike, particularly what with him actually having his brains blown out and looking tense as someone approached...

    It could very well be a character we haven't seen yet, although if it was Central/Crow, Link unfortunately looks like a very good candidate.
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    And why would the 14th want to kill Cross in the first place? Cross was friends with the 14th, remember? That's why he was looking after his host.

    Quote Originally Posted by overmind
    Or maybe, Cross planned the whole thing and shot himself. The knock on the door would be a vintriloquist act.
    A ventriloquist act? Who would he be trying to fool? There was no one else around!

    It's either a new face, or a fake, or the Church, I reckon. My money's on the Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    And why would the 14th want to kill Cross in the first place? Cross was friends with the 14th, remember? That's why he was looking after his host.
    I suppose the 14th could always be angry for some reason - that Cross didn't look after Mana, that Cross told Allen about this and sympathized with him - but it does beg the question "why now". Why would the 14th suddenly awaken to the point where he has control over Allen's body right now? We've seen Allen's body used before, but by his Innocence... and only to protect him, not to kill other people for really lame reasons.

    A ventriloquist act? Who would he be trying to fool? There was no one else around!
    It could've been an ally who shot Cross (it'd be his desire) or Cross shot himself because of the knock - but... Actually, that second one seems second-most likely to me: that Cross was wary of who was approaching and shot himself. We do know that Levellier ordered Link to 'interrogate' Cross, yet Levellier doesn't know why Cross died. Obviously the interrogation isn't related to the death. Either it wasn't Crow at all, Crow had conflicting orders that Levellier didn't know of, or Cross shot himself to avoid the interrogation - and Crow snatched the body for whatever reason.

    I can actually see that being plausible. Cross might have thought it would be better to die than expose whatever he might know (and risk Allen's life), and the timing matches. It also doesn't have the feeling of denial that many "Cross set this up/killed himself" theories do, as if Cross just wanted to escape or something.

    It's either a new face, or a fake, or the Church, I reckon. My money's on the Church.
    Fake? (I'd bet on Central too.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    And why would the 14th want to kill Cross in the first place? Cross was friends with the 14th, remember? That's why he was looking after his host.


    A ventriloquist act? Who would he be trying to fool? There was no one else around!

    It's either a new face, or a fake, or the Church, I reckon. My money's on the Church.
    Wasn't it said that Allen will one day kill someone close to him?

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    I just wanted to point at that the whole ventriloquism thing was a joke, but obviously Sherman didn't see it as such. I would also like to name another theory (even though I didn't read the whole thread and it might be repeated). It might be possible that someone within Central or the Church is an akuma or Noah in diguise, but was not close enough to Allen for him to react, or slept through it. More believable if it was a Noah, which would mean it was someone we haven't met.

    I'm also guessing that this thread would have been over days ago if the author didn't take a break/get sick.

 

 
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