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    I bet science. Or rather i hope so. We have not seen any magic other then innocence one yet, and i do not think it is necesary tp introdue any. If it is possible to tarin magitians so that they can exterminate Akuma then why bother with exorcists in teh first place?

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    I think it's just because Hoshino has two extra pages to draw now...

    Science seems more likely considering its importance in DGM and what we've seen with golems and the like, and the creations of seals/barriers, apparently, but... I wonder. Crow is pretty mysterious and those sealing papers seemed pretty unscientific to me. It could be that magic doesn't work to kill akuma (properly?), or that there's a deeper significance to the Exorcists vs. Noah battle. We do know there is some sort of magic out there that Cross/Skulls(/Kanda's tattoo) use...
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    Skulls techniques are most likely related to black matter; As for Kanda....we know so little about that, I don;t think any conclusion made on this point will have a good logical base. It can be magic, it can be somehow related to innocence, or science... or even dark matter. No idea.

    Cross, being exorcist, does most likely have access to some scientifically created spells, like thos which create barriers. So i think it was not magic on his part.

    Crow is so mysterius, it deserves its own thread. The only thing that stops me from creting one is lack of info on it.

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    If the Skull magic is due to Dark Matter, that'd definitely make Cross something interesting! Maybe we'll find out about Kanda soon and get this issue resolved... he could have a connection to Cross/Crow/whatever, after all.

    It's possible, but why would Cross's spell (to send Allen to the piano room) be identical to what the Skulls use - and Kanda's tattoo?

    We really don't know a lot about Crow, but it feels like we know enough to me. They're Central's assassins trained from a young age to kick ass and carry around weapons and other useful items for that purpose. Which makes one wonder: who have they assassinated? Perhaps Noah, in the past? Exorcists didn't know about them until very recently and as Noah are clearly mortal, is it possible that Crow has been the Order's tool to destabilize the Earl in the past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    If the Skull magic is due to Dark Matter, that'd definitely make Cross something interesting! Maybe we'll find out about Kanda soon and get this issue resolved... he could have a connection to Cross/Crow/whatever, after all.
    Surely it is so, and considering his connection with 14th... Crow might be the ones who assasinated Kanda's parents (or whoever it was), hence giving him a reason to rebel later in the series. Allrigth, its 100% assumption but that'd be fun. Wait, lol, how about the following - we can make a thread where try to predict the development of the plot after adding several facts we assume to be correct - like Cross being Skull and some others? How about it? I think it might be fun (like with Order = Evil, Earl = Good theory ;P).

    It's possible, but why would Cross's spell (to send Allen to the piano room) be identical to what the Skulls use - and Kanda's tattoo?
    Because its what he is likely to get from 14th. For the following reasons - scientists of order have never worked with Arc so they have no way to develop magic/scientific tools to enter it. The only one who both knew Cross and operated with Arc is 14th, so I think he is the only one who could teach Cross that spell. One more possible connection with Dark Matter?

    We really don't know a lot about Crow, but it feels like we know enough to me. They're Central's assassins trained from a young age to kick ass and carry around weapons and other useful items for that purpose. Which makes one wonder: who have they assassinated? Perhaps Noah, in the past? Exorcists didn't know about them until very recently and as Noah are clearly mortal, is it possible that Crow has been the Order's tool to destabilize the Earl in the past?
    It may be so... But in this case - why did not Crow take care of Akuma as well? If they have tools to use against Dark Matter and are capable enough to assasinate Noah themselves then Akuma should be piece of cake to them. I think their speciality is different - they are designed to eleminate potential threats to Church - be it humans (polititians, businessmen and others) or Church members - for example rebel exorcists like Cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Surely it is so, and considering his connection with 14th... Crow might be the ones who assasinated Kanda's parents (or whoever it was), hence giving him a reason to rebel later in the series. Allrigth, its 100% assumption but that'd be fun. Wait, lol, how about the following - we can make a thread where try to predict the development of the plot after adding several facts we assume to be correct - like Cross being Skull and some others? How about it? I think it might be fun (like with Order = Evil, Earl = Good theory ;P).
    Sounds fun. =D Good thread idea!

    It seems a bit strange that Kanda would know of Crow to me (and particularly at a time when we've been starting to learn about his past). It's not odd that high-rankers like Komui or Bookman like... well, Bookman... would know of that sort of thing, but after being in the Order for over a year Allen should know unless they're not common knowledge. If Crow assassinated Kanda's parents or had some connection to that sort of thing... oooh. That might also mean Lenalee's parents weren't killed by akuma after all. :3 Somewhat unrelated, but both of them came to the Order within two years of each other; if that sort of thing was happening...


    Because its what he is likely to get from 14th. For the following reasons - scientists of order have never worked with Arc so they have no way to develop magic/scientific tools to enter it. The only one who both knew Cross and operated with Arc is 14th, so I think he is the only one who could teach Cross that spell. One more possible connection with Dark Matter?
    Perhaps, but that assumes it can be taught to anyone instead of actually drawing its power from Dark Matter (and implies it isn't science but some sort of magic). Cross would have to be more than an Exorcist scientist for that to be the case...

    It may be so... But in this case - why did not Crow take care of Akuma as well? If they have tools to use against Dark Matter and are capable enough to assasinate Noah themselves then Akuma should be piece of cake to them. I think their speciality is different - they are designed to eleminate potential threats to Church - be it humans (polititians, businessmen and others) or Church members - for example rebel exorcists like Cross.
    Akuma can only be saved by Innocence, right? It seems that the Order wouldn't care about such a thing, seeing how cold-hearted they are, but maybe that's important for their ultimate goal (if they're working with the Earl?). It could also be that ONLY Innocence can take care of akuma but Noah, being human, are just as vulnerable as Exorcists to things like poison or being shot in the head (:3). After all, we've heard the Noah themselves say that they're human. The Order needs Exorcists to take care of the akuma, but Crow must have some purpose.

    It could also be that Crow members are too valuable to waste lightly; they do have far more training than Exorcists do. Exorcists can be plucked out of a village and told to fight while Crow are trained from a young age. Maybe that's one reason Exorcists are seen as pawns instead of people.

    ...yeah, I think your threat idea is more likely (although it doesn't necessarily exclude Noah, who are also human and who could still pose a threat to the Order in disguise. Sheril, for example, is a politician, right?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Sounds fun. =D Good thread idea!
    Thanks; then i'll creat one tomorrow.

    It seems a bit strange that Kanda would know of Crow to me (and particularly at a time when we've been starting to learn about his past). It's not odd that high-rankers like Komui or Bookman like... well, Bookman... would know of that sort of thing, but after being in the Order for over a year Allen should know unless they're not common knowledge. If Crow assassinated Kanda's parents or had some connection to that sort of thing... oooh. That might also mean Lenalee's parents weren't killed by akuma after all. :3 Somewhat unrelated, but both of them came to the Order within two years of each other; if that sort of thing was happening...
    Yeah, Kanda seems too well informed for a mere tool. Though he was for a long time in ordear, maybe he was in the mission with them or something...

    Allen does not know due to them being that sectret, probably. Higher ups like Komui are supposed to know of their existence. But nothing more particular i guess.

    Yup. One more stone in the core of the future thread ;P

    Perhaps, but that assumes it can be taught to anyone instead of actually drawing its power from Dark Matter (and implies it isn't science but some sort of magic). Cross would have to be more than an Exorcist scientist for that to be the case...
    Hm. I wonder if Noahs curse is transferable, at least to a certain extent, thus allowing 14th to share it with Cross. If it is so he could give him some of his powers.

    Akuma can only be saved by Innocence, right? It seems that the Order wouldn't care about such a thing, seeing how cold-hearted they are, but maybe that's important for their ultimate goal (if they're working with the Earl?). It could also be that ONLY Innocence can take care of akuma but Noah, being human, are just as vulnerable as Exorcists to things like poison or being shot in the head (:3). After all, we've heard the Noah themselves say that they're human. The Order needs Exorcists to take care of the akuma, but Crow must have some purpose.
    I too can hardly see Order caring a lot about souls of Akuma. So innocence is most likely the only weapon that can really hurt them.

    Crow could have been use to exterminate Noah, and to search for them too, since they are perfectly disguised. If so, they do their job rather terribly.... I still don't see it being really possible. They should possess god level spels to do that, taking into account Noahs special powers. Cross was defeated, but he had a dissadvantage at that battle, for he could not be the one to begin it, since he did nto know whether the one entering the room is friend of foe. And for a pro to kill just by one shot shoudl not be a problem. And Noahs are usually teh ones attaking from the shadows, not otehrwise.

    It could also be that Crow members are too valuable to waste lightly; they do have far more training than Exorcists do. Exorcists can be plucked out of a village and told to fight while Crow are trained from a young age. Maybe that's one reason Exorcists are seen as pawns instead of people.
    Still it should be harder to find compatible person then train another orphan. Even if he does not survive the harsh training - church has so many orphanges... They are bastards enough to be doing that in my opinion.

    ...yeah, I think your threat idea is more likely (although it doesn't necessarily exclude Noah, who are also human and who could still pose a threat to the Order in disguise. Sheril, for example, is a politician, right?).
    Yeah, Sheril could be one of their goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post

    Yeah, Kanda seems too well informed for a mere tool. Though he was for a long time in ordear, maybe he was in the mission with them or something...
    Assuming they're sent on missions? (Well, okay, Link was, but as himself, not Crow.) I doubt they're babysitters. Maybe they're involved in his curse - to save his life, though?

    Allen does not know due to them being that sectret, probably. Higher ups like Komui are supposed to know of their existence. But nothing more particular i guess.

    Yup. One more stone in the core of the future thread ;P
    Seems likely to me. Actually, I wonder if Lenalee knows... It's hard to say, but that might be important (she was something of a wild card herself when she was younger and might know about Kanda's past).


    Hm. I wonder if Noahs curse is transferable, at least to a certain extent, thus allowing 14th to share it with Cross. If it is so he could give him some of his powers.
    I've heard people think that was the "14th's Will" or whatever that was referenced before, but... personally, I sort of doubt it. Why not let Cross control the Ark - unless he didn't trust the guy (not hard =P), but then, why transfer any power? I suspect that it may not be possible or else the Noah would have used it by now, but maybe the reason Cross has those powers relates to the 14th in another way? How they met?

    Crow could have been use to exterminate Noah, and to search for them too, since they are perfectly disguised. If so, they do their job rather terribly.... I still don't see it being really possible. They should possess god level spels to do that, taking into account Noahs special powers. Cross was defeated, but he had a dissadvantage at that battle, for he could not be the one to begin it, since he did nto know whether the one entering the room is friend of foe. And for a pro to kill just by one shot shoudl not be a problem. And Noahs are usually teh ones attaking from the shadows, not otehrwise.
    Terribly? They could be great at their job. Noah have been reborn more than once, yet we've heard nothing of them (well, besides the 14th); for all we know, Crow's been getting to them. Maybe they've learned to disguise themselves better... or just don't go out into society. Aside from the Kamelot family, we saw no sign that Jasdevi/Skinn/Lulu had alternate lives... and Sheril/Road use theirs as disguises to manipulate the world. Tiki's the only one who really does it for fun.

    Crow has powers we don't know of; they're excellent fighters and they DO have useful spells. Prevent a Noah from moving and some of them will be defeated; chances are they have other abilities we haven't seen because G didn't feel like using them.

    Noah attack from the shadows, but that's not to say no one's after them. :3

    Still it should be harder to find compatible person then train another orphan. Even if he does not survive the harsh training - church has so many orphanges... They are bastards enough to be doing that in my opinion.
    It should be, but the Order seems to have a pretty good success rate; in the last year alone they've found three Conformers! That's a bit much, true, but compared to the ten-plus years needed to train a new Crow... and if the Order can retrieve the Innocence...

    Yeah, Sheril could be one of their goals.
    They'll get a Noah by accident! Oooh, I want to see how Sheril's actions relate to the world and the Order...
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    Man, you guys are doing the 4-metre long repies to each other again...

    No chapter next week - the writing in the bottom-right hand corner of this week's says that (in Japanese, though - the translator skipped it).

    Cross can(could?) use magic, and I'm pretty sure it's real, honest-to-goodness magic. To disguise his shape, and to bust barriers, and all the rest. He said something about being a sorcerer...

    And about the Japanese attack name from Link... don't forget that every single thing is written in Japanese in this comic. It's a Japanese comic. It's just sometimes translators prefer to keep attack names untranslated because it "looks cooler".

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    I do hope Hoshino explains the use of magic, though. We figure Innocence/Dark Matter are (scientifically sound) creations of a mysterious higher power, but where does magic come into all of this? Knowing how Cross, a seemingly normal human, can use it would be nice. The only other human who we've heard described as a sorceror is the Earl, and he's definitely not normal.

    ...Oddly enough, DGM is one comic that doesn't write every attack in Japanese - Allen's are all in Engrish. =P Well, okay, there's kanji, but the pronounciation is exactly how we read them. Dunno why it's the case for him and not for the others, but...
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