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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    The black skull thingies that appeared in recent chapters - the ones who changed one of those guys in one of them. Those are that inhuman scientist. And they are surely better for one reason - they start with greater knowledge than they, because with the knowledge Earl has. While Order is still like a kid in dark trying to get any informations, Earl knows it all and surely would share it to his scientist - if he didn't, he wouldn't be having them to begin with.
    We don't really know what the Skulls are (speculation is that they become the bones of the akuma), but if they really were just scientists, why not leave them as humans? I don't think that's really their task.

    In one of the latest purpose, Earl did say that Order is necessary - I for one will agree that having church searching for heart is not so bad as Earl can easily snatch it. And perhaps maybe the exorcists can be able to get near the heart safely or suppress it power so Earl wouldn't be in harm. OR Earl wants Order to obtain the heart, which could bring their self-destruct because of lack of knowledge what the heart really is.
    Then we'll have to wait and see. The Heart alone seems a bit... lame, I guess. I think there's a bit more to it.

    I believe it would be as cool as Order was really on path of self-destruction and Earl knows they actions are completely futile - but of course Cross, Allen and others will learn about it before Order makes mistake and stop them from making such.
    Cross and Allen can't stop them from doing anything; they're not powerful enough. At best, they'll split off and form a third group. However, I doubt the Order is quite that foolish. If their actions will bring about their downfall, it will be deliberate on their part. Why... who knows yet.
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    I don't think those skulls are anything than scientists. That's why they were searching for people with good "Brain". They are a selection of best minds, who became 100% loyal to Earl and probably, with their transformation they have a better understanding of black matter and innocence than normal humans, since part of black matter is inside them and innocence is simply something opposite to them.

    I think it's not about being foolish - it's about lacking knowledge and being desperate. Safe version would be to investigate the heart for fullest - yet that could take years and they could suceed at nothing, unless they actually used it. Also it's not like Earl would stop attacking them after obtaining it - it's obvious Order wants to get the heart first and use it as fast as possible - you don't need a spy to reach that conclusion ;p. Order is quite transparent - they want a weapon that will be completely loyal to them and could overpower Earl. Allen being big variable is dangerous and Order can't afford for not investigating him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    I don't think those skulls are anything than scientists. That's why they were searching for people with good "Brain". They are a selection of best minds, who became 100% loyal to Earl and probably, with their transformation they have a better understanding of black matter and innocence than normal humans, since part of black matter is inside them and innocence is simply something opposite to them.
    And look at the selection they had. As I said, maybe that's one thing they do, but those skulls are definitely not ordinary scientists. One of them used magic, after all. We do know Cross is both a scientist AND a magic-using guy, so maybe you need to be one to do the other... um... maybe. And just because they know what the Earl tells them doesn't mean they're the best ever, or that the Order scientists couldn't develop something that they don't know/didn't think about.

    I think it's not about being foolish - it's about lacking knowledge and being desperate. Safe version would be to investigate the heart for fullest - yet that could take years and they could suceed at nothing, unless they actually used it. Also it's not like Earl would stop attacking them after obtaining it - it's obvious Order wants to get the heart first and use it as fast as possible - you don't need a spy to reach that conclusion ;p. Order is quite transparent - they want a weapon that will be completely loyal to them and could overpower Earl. Allen being big variable is dangerous and Order can't afford for not investigating him.
    The Order *is* investigating him. By now, both sides seem to be waiting for the Heart to reveal itself; searching for it isn't going to help them find anything. And Kolox, the Order already has loyal weapons: the Exorcists. If they're not loyal to the Order, they die. Yes, people can sacrifice themselves (Suman), but there's no reason to believe that the Heart wouldn't do the same if the human is inclined to do so. We know the Order wants the Heart apparently so that they can protect it from the Earl, not necessarily because it's a powerful weapon (it was an unconfirmed theory, and it was their reason for protecting the Generals). There might be other reasons that we haven't heard yet.
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    It's easier to make a nuclear bomb when you know how to do it than developing it from scratch and then making it - that's the main difference between Earl scientists and Order scientists.

    There is a lot of problems with that : Allen being a deviant, Cross doing whatever he wants, Suman selling his friends out - the Order doesn't know whom to trust anymore for one reason - the morale in Order are extremely low and there is a good reason for that - they need a freaking miracle to win since they didn't advance much in search of heart and they lost a lot of staff, while Earl lost just one Noah. And what's the point of thinking that ex. Lenalle could pwn most Noahs now if the enemy is already three or four steps ahead and he doesn't really need to fight with Order to win this battle. The Order is something Earl doesn't really need to concern himself with, at least that's how it is presented.

    Humans are simply humans and as far as it goes, a lot of humans prefer to pick a winning side. Order position is bad.

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    A lot of humans will pick the side that promises them more. Under the Earl, they could be rich and powerful (or so they believe). Under the Order, they'd risk their lives without being paid for the sake of possibly saving the world. It has nothing to do with the 'winning side', especially when the Earl seems to want to destroy humanity at the end of it all. Humans are stupid, after all. (Unfortunately for both sides, they're entirely composed of humans. =P)

    The Order does present something of a threat - or at least an annoyance, if your beliefs of their power are true - to the Earl, though. If he has the power to destroy them, and possibly - PROBABLY - the Heart with them, why not? The Earl has already lost his akuma factory (and will need to make another one) as well as an irreplaceable Noah, and more could die in the future before he needs them do. That's pretty serious. He can't afford to ignore the Order if they're really that weak; they're not mosquitoes biting at him, they've been cutting off limbs instead. Nothing as big as an arm or leg, but the Earl can't leave them alone. He has to know that. So either the Earl is also a stupid human, or there are other reasons for the Order's existence.
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    I repeat myself - Order serves some purpose to Earl plan. That is all, that is all we know and we only can pray that Hoshino came up with some good reasoning. Whatever he needs spies there to achieve it or not, I doubt it. He surely has spies somewhere there or he keeps an eye on headquarters but I think it is something that Earl doesn't want to intervene - more like a "Fate" thing.

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    So you're comparing it to that, huh... =P I still think that the Order is more powerful than that, and possibly working with the Earl, or at least sharing the same reasons for the war. It's not like the Order cares about humanity.
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    His doing it for humanity, so how can he not care for it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    His doing it for humanity, so how can he not care for it ?
    The Order? But ARE they doing it for humanity? If the Earl is working for the Order, then yes, they probably do, somehow. If the Order is working on its own, probably not.
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