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    *stares up at the ever-expanding conversation and scratches head*

    I have completely lost this.......>.>

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    The only Exorcists who may not be that strong are Mari (possible, but he has a bigger role now) and Chaoji... and even then, the number of Exorcists vs. Noah are even. I doubt the level 3s are a threat even to them; if Allen could take one down with no problem, why would those two not be able to (even if it's a bit more difficult for them).
    Now, hold on there....Chaoji, yes, is quite possibly a wimp at the present, but it seems to me as though Mari was pretty doggone tough. Considering he and Kanda came in during the Edo battle and pretty much owned one of those giant Akuma all by themselves.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper_Thin_Hymn View Post
    Now, hold on there....Chaoji, yes, is quite possibly a wimp at the present, but it seems to me as though Mari was pretty doggone tough. Considering he and Kanda came in during the Edo battle and pretty much owned one of those giant Akuma all by themselves.....
    I'm not sure about Mari. We haven't really seen him fight in scenarios like the others, but I don't think he's really that weak. It was probably Bookman I should've been questioning (but he IS an old guy, he can take down akuma fairly easily, and he got hurt in the laboratory because Allen got sneak-attacked). Even then - more Exorcists than Noah.
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    When I met survielance, I ment that whenever they would go somewhere or not, just keep Akuma raporting about it. It's only Allen who has the freaky eye, other exorcists can't tell they are spied by akuma unless they are attacked by it. They don't necessarly needs spies in Order because what is important is what happens outside the order and not what happens inside of it. Earl was only interested what happens inside of it the moment they got their hands on arc, as for everything else, headquarters of black order have no value for Earl - in information or strategical.

    And it is not about one battle - they won one battle but they are far from winning a war.

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    Oh... yeah, I bet he'd have akuma reporting on regular Exorcist activities, although none of those are going on right now. But why wouldn't the inner workings of the Order be important to the Earl? How else is he going to find the Heart if he doesn't know what's going on inside there - if it's Allen/Lenalee, do you really think the Order would let them run off and fight akuma (and show off their Heart-ness)? Wouldn't he want to know about advances in science in case one turns out to be dangerous for the akuma? Heck, isn't it just plain better to have an idea of what your enemy is doing rather than sitting around and watching whenever they leave their little fortress? The Noah and akuma themselves aren't so dangerous to the Order; it's not knowing what the Earl is planning and what he knows that make them such formidable opponents. The Earl has the means, opportunity, and motive to have spies in the Order, so why wouldn't he use them?
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    Because as long as exorcist will keep staying at head quarters, Earl wins. They can't afford having Earl getting more level 4 akuma evolving.

    It's simple - Whatever Order does inside cannot effect Earl in any way - if it could, they would take such weapon years ago, and surely they don't have technology that Earl wouldn't know about or didn't build himself.

    Earl has akuma in each country on the world - and what Exorcist have right now ? All their forces in one place ?

    And how can Noah be not be threat if Noah, being semi-serious about their fight lost only one member while Exorcist almost all of them.

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    Not quite true... the Earl wants to destroy all of humanity, so... but I think you're definitely wrong about how weak the Order is. They've got intelligent scientists who work with current technology; the Earl doesn't have those resources on hand unless some of his followers are scientists. The Order is HUGE. They've got contacts all around the world (did you forget about the branches?). And anyway, the Earl would have to be ridiculously overconfident to not care about what goes on inside the Order, and that doesn't seem to be in-character for him. Just because the Order hasn't done anything yet to be a threat that we know of doesn't mean they're incapable of it. Why they seem so weak is a question I was asking, and that's why I wondered if maybe both sides were working together somehow. If the Order really was so ineffective, why wouldn't the Earl have crushed it by now?

    The Exorcists got owned because they were caught off-guard. None of them knew the Noah EXISTED until half of them had been attacked already... although clearly, the Order knew about the Noah. Why they didn't tell the Exorcists was a mystery. In fair battles, they're evenly matched, as I stated before. When I said "they're not as dangerous to the Order", I meant that they're not unknown or unpredictable (without the Earl).
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    It was many times stated that Earl is imaginably rich - that they are even humans who work for him because he promise them treasures. Earl has many fallowers and seems he has influential people on his side that can start a war ;p

    We now know that Earl has his own squadron of scientist - with knowledge from Earl and being inhuman themselves, they are surely superior to those of Order.

    1 Akuma can take on 10 finders with ease. That's about what intelligence of other branches can do. And they have no method to identify someone as Akuma without exorcists help. Having quite a lot of innocence already destroyed by Earl, there is not much hope there will have increase in ranks any time soon.

    Order exist because to find the heart, Order will be perfect. But surely Earl will know about it, as he can already sense heart presence. It just the matter of Exorcist to die in battle of getting the heart and then Earl butting in and taking it for himself.

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    Inhuman scientists? Who are they again? And there's nothing to say that they're better or worse than the Order ones; just because they don't work for pay doesn't mean the Order has crappy scientists. Komui, after all, is a pretty impressive inventor on his own even if he misuses his abilities.

    Other branches possibly had Exorcists in the past, but even so, that's an impressive network of information that the Order has. It's probably comparable to the Earl's own one of humans. We don't know how he uses akuma; there seem to be fewer of them outside Japan than we assume, but no matter what, he doesn't use them as killing machines. If he did, the world would be wiped out by now, which makes me wonder what their true purpose is. (The Earl hasn't used them against the other branches.)

    So Kolox, if the Earl is so powerful and all-knowing and the Order is so weak and ineffective, WHY hasn't the Earl destroyed it yet? You haven't answered that. There are numerous reasons that I've mentioned: that the Order is more powerful than you suspect, that the Earl is weaker than you believe, that they both benefit from the other's existence because they may be working towards the same ends. You don't seem to believe any of this, but yet you have not been able to answer these fundamental questions. And if you can't, then you must be wrong, because it doesn't make sense for the Earl to allow the Order to exist in its present form if he were so capable of destroying it.
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    All that aside, I reckon the idea of a spy in the works is a good one. Would have to be Link or Komui, though. Komui has stated to other people and himself that he feels he needs to watch out for the Exorcists and he's going to make sure that he looks out for them, since the Order won't.... especially Lenalee.

    If he got put in some kind of compromising position where he had to feed info in order to protect the Exorcists, especially Lenalee, while at the same time privately working to find a way out of it, that would be pretty cool. He wouldn't feel he could ask the Order for help, because they don't care about the Exorcists in the first place, other than as a means to defeat the Earl. He'd be in between quite the rock and the hard place.

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    The black skull thingies that appeared in recent chapters - the ones who changed one of those guys in one of them. Those are that inhuman scientist. And they are surely better for one reason - they start with greater knowledge than they, because with the knowledge Earl has. While Order is still like a kid in dark trying to get any informations, Earl knows it all and surely would share it to his scientist - if he didn't, he wouldn't be having them to begin with.

    In one of the latest purpose, Earl did say that Order is necessary - I for one will agree that having church searching for heart is not so bad as Earl can easily snatch it. And perhaps maybe the exorcists can be able to get near the heart safely or suppress it power so Earl wouldn't be in harm. OR Earl wants Order to obtain the heart, which could bring their self-destruct because of lack of knowledge what the heart really is.

    We discussed it before - we all know that Earl has the power to destroy Order and we are thankful for Hoshino that she finally explained why he didn't yet - because it can be used.

    I believe it would be as cool as Order was really on path of self-destruction and Earl knows they actions are completely futile - but of course Cross, Allen and others will learn about it before Order makes mistake and stop them from making such.

 

 
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