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    Default Overall opinion regarding the last arc

    Firstly I have to say that it was totally unnecessary: The long long long long Arc arc has just finished, the flag of new hope was rised with the appearance of Inspector, new twist (brilliant to that) was created.... and then all is being destroyed. For the sake of what? New fights? WTF?

    What new did we witness? New generals fighting for like 10 seconds with outcome of killing random akuma and getting fucked by 4 level. OK, something new - new level appeared. Despite being essential only if Hoshino plans of dragging this manga into another Naruto-long thingy and being totally useless if she plans to develop plot, not fighting part of manga, I'll call it somewhat successful. For now.

    I'm yet to fully understand the logic behind this thing being so strong, maybe stronger then Noah, so I'll leave this matter to someone else. The fact is that none of Generals was really a match for it, Allen included. Naturally, the only way to defeat someone who is by far stronger then anyone present is to introduce the bigger power, and that was done by giving Linalee back her innocence. In a really rushed way. I personally did not like it, not just for reasons mentioned in this paragraph, but also because it was done in this traditional "resolve way", which is simply lame.

    I actually liked the way 4lvl VS AllenLinalee proceeded untill dead enemy revived somehow just for the sake of Cross's appearance to show how cool he is.

    So: what was it all for? I don't get it.

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    Was Cross even cool ? Hardly in my opinion.

    All his gestures, quotes and all are somehow overused already in other manga's - Cross doesn't say anything valuable, doesn't do anything besides having last word in anything, which is hardly cool

    Achoo? You must be f***ing kidding me.

    Obviously, one scene with Lavi and Kanda actually being cool was completely overshadown by the fact that Lenalee did get her innocence almost too easily - while Allen needed the whole training session, Hevlaska just simply gave it away. Plothole ? Hardly, since Hoshino can do anything she wants with the plot as we still know nothing about innocence.

    Of course no one will doubt Allen now - because he was cool - because he was almost killed - because he fought against the enemy - so Link is there to believe him. HELLO !! If that was the case, there wouldn't be investigation to begin with.

    If Innocence can be repaired so easily, one could give Lavi and Kanda new hammer. And of course one more thing.

    HOW, I say, HOW everyone in DGM is immortal - except one guy whose name I don't remember.

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    No he was not cool - the attempt to make him look this way was made, but it failed.

    Agreed with investigation thing - now the only person to not believe Allen will be Inspector, everyone will praise him. The savior, after all.

    More info about Innocence would be nice, for we possess none. The difference between equipment and parasitic got vague now, so even this can't be taken for granted.

    And immortality - I should have made an altar for everyone there, not just Johnny.

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    As we know nothing - it feels like Bleach - in Bleach nothing is explained so it's okay to just add stuff. NOT.

    In the end, was there anything we couldn't really predict ? No one dies, level 4 is kicked, general coolness.

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    Exactly. And thats why we can build up wild theories as much as we want.

    I didn't expect the general coolness. Not that I'm pleased with its appearance though.

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    Apparently, If Earl just came to HQ the outcome wouldn't be so predictable and so..boring. And the story would move into some direction. But nooo - Because that would mean someone would surely die.

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    I think we will be safe if assume that Earl is much stronger then any akuma - meaning if he came there and some Noah with fighting abilities accompanied him the Order would be doomed.

    Perhaps you are right, and Hoshino just excludes any development where main characters die. Hopefully not though, because that means a huge ---- for the whole manga, for the outcome of any fight which some of main cast take part in would be obvious.

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    This really was a pointless arc, although one good thing did come out of it: DGM's popularity was so low that Hoshino probably has the sense not to do it again. On one hand, the events were actually necessary: it would have been bad writing if the Earl didn't try and get the Egg back somehow, and Lenalee really did need a power-up. On the other hand, the execution was terrible so that even though it lasted only a short period of time (Lulubell appeared at the end of chapter 13, it felt incredibly long, boring, and nothing was really accomplished besides those minor points (really, couldn't Lenalee have gotten a power-up in the Ark instead?).

    Somehow, I doubt Allen will be considered the hero here, however. DGM isn't the type of manga to have those characters. Sure, Allen started kicking ass and helped save the Ark, but he didn't really do anything on his own to prove that he's so kind and special. If the Inspector becomes more relaxed about him, it'll probably be due to whatever Cross has to say about the 14th (good writing there, I think). As for Link, there's nothing to show that he really changed his mind - assuming he has one =P - about anything since he just followed Orders until Lulubell attacked. This arc probably won't have much of an effect on how the Order views Allen.

    I'm a little surprised at how none of the main Science Section guys died, although not so much as for the others. (Apparently, the fall wasn't that great. It really shouldn't have killed anyone.) Allen is apparently unable to move now, which is kinda funny since he's the main character and in typical manga, they're always the ones who come out of a battle with the fewest injuries... uh, yeah. We'll probably see some more hospital scenes in the next few chapters. (Fortunately, that's one thing DGM has always had - after a battle with injuries comes a period of rest and relaxation while injured people get better. We're not going to see Allen energetic and fighting in the next few hours or days.)

    Lenalee's Innocence will probably be explained in the next few chapters. I doubt that'll be left alone for a while.

    Level 4... uh... well, honestly, the enemies in DGM were a little weak. It wasn't a matter of the main character being too strong for them; when everyone can beat a level 3 fairly easily (Eshi being an exception due to the circumstances under which he was encountered), and there are only twelve Noah left, something new sort of needs to come along and present a challenge. The Noah, unlike most shounen series enemies, are interesting. They're developed characters (for the most part) who interact with each other as friends and family, and most of them can't really be killed off that easily. The way the level 4 was introduced and fought was kinda bad (and there were the same issues as with Eshi: exploiting weaknesses when its overall power isn't quite as epic as it appeared at first), but it still needed to be there.

    Not sure why Cross had so many scenes; maybe he's just popular in Japan for random reasons, like Kanda. On one hand, he is hot. On the other, he doesn't need to be cool all the time since he *is* just human and the best characters have flaws... which Cross does have, but it'd probably be nice to see his manipulation of Allen or excessive drinking more than in comedic references.

    I think the biggest problem with this arc is that, despite popular opinion, DGM isn't really a manga made for fight scenes and epic pwnage. They're not that popular with readers, apparently, possibly because they're predictable - which has never really been a label attached to DGM as much as other shounen action manga. Yet again, it seems Hoshino needed some fighting because that's what would be rational in the plot, but realized it was making her series unpopular and was just dragging on too much. That's probably due to the fact that she has fifteen pages per chapter; perhaps if she had more, things could be a little more concise (that is, she wouldn't need to draw filler pictures to fit certain events into chapters properly), but it may not be so... whatever. Like the Ark arc, the ending felt rushed... and now we can quickly get back to important things like plot. It's just mismanagement, and we can only hope that Hoshino is learning from her mistakes and will get back to plot and more plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    This really was a pointless arc, although one good thing did come out of it: DGM's popularity was so low that Hoshino probably has the sense not to do it again. On one hand, the events were actually necessary: it would have been bad writing if the Earl didn't try and get the Egg back somehow, and Lenalee really did need a power-up. On the other hand, the execution was terrible so that even though it lasted only a short period of time (Lulubell appeared at the end of chapter 13, it felt incredibly long, boring, and nothing was really accomplished besides those minor points (really, couldn't Lenalee have gotten a power-up in the Ark instead?).
    Looked rather unlogical too - it really seems Earl could just pick up Egg himself and there wouldn't be much of competition. But NO - someone could die.

    Somehow, I doubt Allen will be considered the hero here, however. DGM isn't the type of manga to have those characters. Sure, Allen started kicking ass and helped save the Ark, but he didn't really do anything on his own to prove that he's so kind and special. If the Inspector becomes more relaxed about him, it'll probably be due to whatever Cross has to say about the 14th (good writing there, I think). As for Link, there's nothing to show that he really changed his mind - assuming he has one =P - about anything since he just followed Orders until Lulubell attacked. This arc probably won't have much of an effect on how the Order views Allen.
    In the end, Allen needed to look a little weaker so Generals introduced would look strong - after that, Allen will only get stronger.

    I'm a little surprised at how none of the main Science Section guys died, although not so much as for the others. (Apparently, the fall wasn't that great. It really shouldn't have killed anyone.)
    You can die from falling from 2 meters if you land on head, you can really damage yourself from 6 meter fall and I don't recommend 10 meter fall, as we are talking about internal bleeding.

    Allen is apparently unable to move now, which is kinda funny since he's the main character and in typical manga, they're always the ones who come out of a battle with the fewest injuries...
    Seems you haven't read One Piece, as the main hero always sleeps for 3 days and eats for 3 days after major fight. There is always a scene with main hero being beaten to a pulp but then having quick recorvery - I believe it will be the same here.

    We'll probably see some more hospital scenes in the next few chapters.
    Because we didn't see any of them before

    Lenalee's Innocence will probably be explained in the next few chapters. I doubt that'll be left alone for a while.
    It's no suprise it will be something super-special awesome

    Not sure why Cross had so many scenes; maybe he's just popular in Japan for random reasons, like Kanda. On one hand, he is hot. On the other, he doesn't need to be cool all the time since he *is* just human and the best characters have flaws... which Cross does have, but it'd probably be nice to see his manipulation of Allen or excessive drinking more than in comedic references.
    We were made to believe Cross is cool. He is not. But he still attempts to be

    I think the biggest problem with this arc is that, despite popular opinion, DGM isn't really a manga made for fight scenes and epic pwnage. They're not that popular with readers, apparently, possibly because they're predictable - which has never really been a label attached to DGM as much as other shounen action manga. Yet again, it seems Hoshino needed some fighting because that's what would be rational in the plot, but realized it was making her series unpopular and was just dragging on too much. That's probably due to the fact that she has fifteen pages per chapter; perhaps if she had more, things could be a little more concise (that is, she wouldn't need to draw filler pictures to fit certain events into chapters properly), but it may not be so... whatever. Like the Ark arc, the ending felt rushed... and now we can quickly get back to important things like plot. It's just mismanagement, and we can only hope that Hoshino is learning from her mistakes and will get back to plot and more plot.
    At least we hoped at beginning it won't be about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    This really was a pointless arc, although one good thing did come out of it: DGM's popularity was so low that Hoshino probably has the sense not to do it again. On one hand, the events were actually necessary: it would have been bad writing if the Earl didn't try and get the Egg back somehow, and Lenalee really did need a power-up. On the other hand, the execution was terrible so that even though it lasted only a short period of time (Lulubell appeared at the end of chapter 13, it felt incredibly long, boring, and nothing was really accomplished besides those minor points (really, couldn't Lenalee have gotten a power-up in the Ark instead?).
    Assuming he even needs the egg back. From the looks of it he has an abundant number of Akuma already, no need to cret more who are useless anyways.

    Linalee certainly did need to get her powers back, but NOT LIKE THAT.

    Somehow, I doubt Allen will be considered the hero here, however. DGM isn't the type of manga to have those characters. Sure, Allen started kicking ass and helped save the Ark, but he didn't really do anything on his own to prove that he's so kind and special. If the Inspector becomes more relaxed about him, it'll probably be due to whatever Cross has to say about the 14th (good writing there, I think). As for Link, there's nothing to show that he really changed his mind - assuming he has one =P - about anything since he just followed Orders until Lulubell attacked. This arc probably won't have much of an effect on how the Order views Allen.
    All of generals are for him now probably, thus Inspector won't be able to launch any sanctions towards him any time soon.

    Link is already showing sympathy. We need more time to judge his feelings though.

    I'm a little surprised at how none of the main Science Section guys died, although not so much as for the others. (Apparently, the fall wasn't that great. It really shouldn't have killed anyone.) Allen is apparently unable to move now, which is kinda funny since he's the main character and in typical manga, they're always the ones who come out of a battle with the fewest injuries... uh, yeah. We'll probably see some more hospital scenes in the next few chapters. (Fortunately, that's one thing DGM has always had - after a battle with injuries comes a period of rest and relaxation while injured people get better. We're not going to see Allen energetic and fighting in the next few hours or days.)
    In that massacre all of them should have died, not just nameless Tapp.

    The fall was from one stage to another, at least spinal cords of theirs should have been broken after that.

    Lenalee's Innocence will probably be explained in the next few chapters. I doubt that'll be left alone for a while.
    What makes you think that? We know so little about innocence.... The major explanation is needed, not minor one.

    Level 4... uh... well, honestly, the enemies in DGM were a little weak. It wasn't a matter of the main character being too strong for them; when everyone can beat a level 3 fairly easily (Eshi being an exception due to the circumstances under which he was encountered), and there are only twelve Noah left, something new sort of needs to come along and present a challenge. The Noah, unlike most shounen series enemies, are interesting. They're developed characters (for the most part) who interact with each other as friends and family, and most of them can't really be killed off that easily. The way the level 4 was introduced and fought was kinda bad (and there were the same issues as with Eshi: exploiting weaknesses when its overall power isn't quite as epic as it appeared at first), but it still needed to be there
    We have more Noah then exorcists, enough to give Order hard time. Yet they do not appear at all.

 

 
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