Thread: Chapter 149 Discussion - It's times like these that I wish the chapters were longer.

A break to see Lenalee cry and Leverrier shout... I pass ! (I have come to dislike Lenalee lately) Eventually, she had some determination. But will it be sufficient ?

They fell though the floor. Though, Cross activated Maria, he should be okay, doesn't (Should'nt exists ?) he ? But it's somewhat strange that beyond four generals, no one could stand up. Is the level four so powerful ?
Hope the slaughter ends fast.

Originally Posted by Elvanthiel

A break to see Lenalee cry and Leverrier shout... I pass ! (I have come to dislike Lenalee lately) Eventually, she had some determination. But will it be sufficient ?

I still don't understand why people dislike Lenalee, especially if it's for her crying. It isn't like she doesn't have a good reason to do so. Besides, she's going to kick ass in a few chapters...

They fell though the floor. Though, Cross activated Maria, he should be okay, doesn't (Should'nt exists ?) he ? But it's somewhat strange that beyond four generals, no one could stand up. Is the level four so powerful ?
Hope the slaughter ends fast.

What could Maria have done to stop him from falling? Cross originally was going to use Maria's power to attack the level 4, or possibly to help him attack (with her ability to control other bodies or whatever). It isn't really a sign of actual power that the level 4 could do that, though, I think - it was the nature of the attack itself. (Apparently, that sound attack isn't lethal.)

The long awaited power-up time for lenalee has come! Yay! I'ld laugh if her Black Boots became something like Black Gloves instead (after all they did change to something new)! As far as the actuall chapter, well not much happening, but it is the lull in the battle. The lines are being drawn, and any fesible reinforcements are comming in (a.k.a. the two exorsists that are awake and not at the fight yet). I would be both greatly amused and devistated if it all came to nothing, and the Crow-kun wakes up and drains the lvl 4 for a light snack.

I liked Lenalee before, knocking down Allen because he was kinda selfish. She was strong minded.
But few chapter before, she really seemed to have the will to fight, and her resolution disappeared as Komui announce the escape order or Leverrier's lecture ?

About Maria, what is the power she used back when they fought the "Overpowerfull" Tiky to protect Allen and others ?

Originally Posted by ranteil

The long awaited power-up time for lenalee has come! Yay! I'ld laugh if her Black Boots became something like Black Gloves instead (after all they did change to something new)!

Lenalee's Innocence still affects (lives in?) her legs, so I don't think it'll change that much. xD It might end up being those white, super-long boots from the level 3 fight, though.

Strength? She's still a strong character, or was in the Ark. In recent chapters, she's upset because she is being forced to choose between her life (and the happiness of her brother, and probably friends) and fighting when she originally wanted to fight in order to protect her family and friends. It isn't that Lenalee doesn't really want to fight the akuma, it's that she hates the Innocence for that... and it isn't hard to blame her for that, either. If you thought you ruined someone's life and future and yet they just smiled and carried on for your sake, wouldn't you want to do what you can to help them? Lenalee doesn't seem to worry about Hevlaska's words relating to her increased chance of death/shortened life, either, which would certainly be a factor if she were actually weak.

Maria used Magdala Curtain to hide the younger Exorcists, and then Carte Garte (or whatever the heck that's supposed to be) to control Allen's mind (she stopped him from falling by sticking his sword into the wall, and thus preventing him from attacking the Earl, too).

Yet at the same time Digi, her innocence isn't with her anymore because of the fact that she over used it and handed it over to Helveska. Also if what Helveska said (and I originally thought) about the innocence becoming a parasyte type, who knows what might happen to it. Just because it used to be footwear, doesn't mean it has to be. That being said, I beleive that it will return to something simular to what it was, I just thought after all her prep for boots, getting boxing gloves or something would be funny.
Also with your statement (which I think is true as well) do you see something of a relation between her veiws, and possibaly Sulmans (the negitive reaction guy that Allen lost his arm to)? Now that would be something really sad to happen.

I suppose that's true, although if it was going to change its, uh, location, wouldn't it have done so when it changed type rather than after being handed off to Hevlaska? I guess it would be amusing, but it'd make Lenalee's long legs look kinda weird. ^^;; I mean, if she leaves them bare and all.

Lenalee's comments about hating Innocence might put her at risk for becoming a Fallen, which Komui (or possibly Lenalee herself, if that wasn't what Komui was worried about) suspects may already be the case. Still, Suman betrayed the Order and caused the deaths of many Order workers while Lenalee still plans to fight akuma and do what she's supposed to. It might become an issue since her synchronization rate is really low, but then again, if she does have the Heart, it may ignore her comments in order to keep its host alive. (After all, Allen has some Noah powers and tried to save Suman - a traitor - and his Innocence brought him back to life, of all things.)

...so wait and see, I guess.

True with the Allen/Innocence thing Digi. However, one main diffrence between the two is that Allen's arm was already part of him, in Lenalee's case, it is basicly a foring object. In all honesty I don't want Lenalee to die, but you would have to admidt that it would galvanise most of the male exorsists into action as a unit to stop the Earl, and that would be very frightning.

As far as the "new" innocence, who knows exactly how it will work. For the parasyte types we were shown: Allen had his from birth, and Crow-kun's were already in the shape of teeth when they entered his body via a carniviorus plant. Lenalee's didn't really look like anything short of a bunch of dust to me once she took the innocence off. For all we know, there needs to be a mold of what the person needs/wants when the innocence is first introduced as a parasyte type. In this case, perhaps Lenalee will end up with just boots, something weird (for her) like a sword, M-16, or boxing gloves (I really can't see any of these with Lenalee), or perhaps even a new outfit/armour thing that would include boots, gauntlets of some form, and body armour or helmet of some type.

Originally Posted by ranteil

True with the Allen/Innocence thing Digi. However, one main diffrence between the two is that Allen's arm was already part of him, in Lenalee's case, it is basicly a foring object. In all honesty I don't want Lenalee to die, but you would have to admidt that it would galvanise most of the male exorsists into action as a unit to stop the Earl, and that would be very frightning.

I still can't see the story continuing after Lenalee's death. She's had nearly as much time on-screen as Allen (I'd say that she's the second-most important, but that would generally require evidence of how she effects the story - but you know what I mean, right? being a protagonost?), and her relationships with characters are incredibly strong. Without those ties, there isn't really anything to, say, bring Kanda together with the others or even make him look human, or notice and tell the audience what's wrong with Allen, etc. Besides, how many mangaka kill the heroines (strong and visible ones, too, not just weak little sidekicks) halfway through their stories? Not only does that severely limit romance, which Hoshino did imply that she wanted to draw, it also severely diminishes the appearance of females in a manga that actually might have had some balance before. Sure, Lenalee's death might motivate the characters now, but would it motivate them in the future, or would it turn them into depressed wrecks who can't get over it? (I don't think there's any question what Komui would become: useless. Wouldn't it be better to have Komui die and motivate Lenalee, who almost certainly could recover from it with the help of her friends, rather than have Lenalee die and fail to motivate anyone because they won't have that support?)

As far as the "new" innocence, who knows exactly how it will work. For the parasyte types we were shown: Allen had his from birth, and Crow-kun's were already in the shape of teeth when they entered his body via a carniviorus plant. Lenalee's didn't really look like anything short of a bunch of dust to me once she took the innocence off. For all we know, there needs to be a mold of what the person needs/wants when the innocence is first introduced as a parasyte type. In this case, perhaps Lenalee will end up with just boots, something weird (for her) like a sword, M-16, or boxing gloves (I really can't see any of these with Lenalee), or perhaps even a new outfit/armour thing that would include boots, gauntlets of some form, and body armour or helmet of some type.

Allen's Innocence was a bunch of dust because it had been destroyed, not because of its type... but the equipment-types are made into weapons that the Exorcist can use, so even if Lenalee would prefer another weapon besides boots (which we have no reason to believe), she's almost certainly more experienced with not just the boots but the effects that come as the result of synchronization (higher speed/agility). Besides, if she loses that movement and her previous abilities, she loses her advantage over the akuma. (An important thing to note is that one of Lenalee's previous attacks used sound waves as... a stepping stone or something to move at the speed of sound. It's possible that she could avoid the level 4's sound attack entirely with that.) She probably could have something else in addition to the boots, but she'll probably still have those...

My statement on the death of Lenalee would only be if Hoshino decided to end the series quickly. The inital reaction from everyone would be to destroy all responsable, and that would be from every main male charactor exept Cho and Crow. So yah, I don't see that happening.

The Innocence thing is once again up for grabs. Remember Allen had to re-form his hand, not by seeing a hand, but by seeing the tools it would be used as to destroy Akuma. Only after the weapon was re-forged did his hand reform. I'm saying that if it is a case simular to Allens, Lenalee might picture a weapon totaly diffrent then what she had before, or something with additional protection or attack capabilities.

Sorry, new though... what if in addition to the original capabilites she gained one to nullify the Akuma Virus from the Akuma's weapons and such? That would be interesting/handy depending on what her resolve is.