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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    Not Tyki Mikk nor Rhode had major armours, and they've survived major attacks. All the same, who knows?
    Road, at least, seems to have regenerative powers. Tiki survived Allen's attack by powering up (who knows about Cross's), and wasn't intended to die anyway.

    An issue here is that I do not think Hoshino came up with an Akuma of an entire different level from the ones Bookmen have seen so far, just to make it quick. Once again, who knows? We'll have to see.
    This arc has gone on for a long time already, and the intention seems to be to give Lenalee back her fighting ability. However, the existence of a level 4 could cause problems in the future even if this particular one is dead. If the opposing Exorcist can't use power alone but needs that advantage...

    Krory kept on using his blood packs to be on par with Jasdevi but, that only worked until he/she/it found out. After that, he got almost killed, and then he used that odd power-up. Even then, he only managed to survive; Jasdevi didn't die.
    Then it wasn't as resounding a defeat... the best recent ones all used tactics. Still, Jasdevi wasn't quite defeated by the power of Krory's muscles.

    Rhode lost because she didn't expect Lavi to put his life to that level of risk, nor did she expect his will to be that strong. She underestimated him, and as a consequence, she didn't win.
    I wouldn't say that counts as her actions backfiring, though. She underestimated Lavi, who managed to fool her because of it. No strength involved, either.

    Awww... I wanted you to say something about Lenalee vs. the level 3 (in terms of power) so I could do a Pokemon analogy. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Road, at least, seems to have regenerative powers. Tiki survived Allen's attack by powering up (who knows about Cross's), and wasn't intended to die anyway.
    My point was that they didn't get killed. Well, Tyki wasn't supposed to die, only the Noah within him. Rhode, on the other hand, received a full blast and didn't die. (Maybe because her surname is Kamelot, and she's awesome like that. XD)

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    This arc has gone on for a long time already, and the intention seems to be to give Lenalee back her fighting ability.
    I think the point of this arc was simply to show us that, although the Ark's arc ended, things haven't got nicer even one bit, but they've actually got even more complicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Then it wasn't as resounding a defeat... the best recent ones all used tactics. Still, Jasdevi wasn't quite defeated by the power of Krory's muscles.
    I know he wasn't defeated. What I was expecting was that Level 4 would be defeated by the use of strategy. You know, by coming up with plans and countermeasures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    I wouldn't say that counts as her actions backfiring, though. She underestimated Lavi, who managed to fool her because of it. No strength involved, either.
    Her actions backfired because she underestimate Lavi's will-power and let him inside that dream-world. She expected him to die there. The problem is that he didn't and her move backfired, since having Lavi inside that dream-world made her have her guard down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Awww... I wanted you to say something about Lenalee vs. the level 3 (in terms of power) so I could do a Pokemon analogy. xD
    All I remember from that battle is: Lenalee, Level 3, the ship, and the sea.

    Well, I also remember her long hair, her black mini-skirt, and her black boots. ;_;


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    My point was that they didn't get killed. Well, Tyki wasn't supposed to die, only the Noah within him. Rhode, on the other hand, received a full blast and didn't die. (Maybe because her surname is Kamelot, and she's awesome like that. XD)
    Indeed. xD Road is clearly an exception, though.

    I think the point of this arc was simply to show us that, although the Ark's arc ended, things haven't got nicer even one bit, but they've actually got even more complicated.
    The Egg part was probably to show that Hoshino is thinking logically (the Earl wouldn't leave it like that), but the level 4 seems to have been set up for other reasons. It's either that or we're meant to see that D.Gray-Man is turning into a typical shounen manga in a desperate attempt to increase its popularity.

    I know he wasn't defeated. What I was expecting was that Level 4 would be defeated by the use of strategy. You know, by coming up with plans and countermeasures.
    I'm sure some strategy will be used (it's Lenalee, who actually has a brain), but in terms of the SWAT team and other characters participating in an elaborate plot to corner the akuma or something like that... I can't really see it happening.

    Her actions backfired because she underestimate Lavi's will-power and let him inside that dream-world. She expected him to die there. The problem is that he didn't and her move backfired, since having Lavi inside that dream-world made her have her guard down.
    Road wouldn't have been able to stand a fighting chance at defeating Lavi outside the dream world. Her only non-dream offense is that candle attack thing, and Lavi's shown that he can melt those fairly easily. She was still at risk either way, but she did stand a chance against Lavi by doing what she did. I also wouldn't say she let her guard down because of the dream world as much as just underestimated him in general. Lavi never acts that intelligent anyway.

    All I remember from that battle is: Lenalee, Level 3, the ship, and the sea.

    Well, I also remember her long hair, her black mini-skirt, and her black boots. ;_;
    XD

    Well, the battle basically went like this: Eshi captures Lenalee, prevents her from moving, forces her under the water. Lenalee uses maximum invocation and escapes. Lenalee whacks Eshi once with her boots and finds out it did nothing since Eshi has very strong armor. Lenalee gets recaptured and starts to become affected by the invocation. Lenalee jumps above Eshi, lets herself be captured, and uses its gravity against him to deliver a very strong attack. Both are disintegrated.

    ...That had nothing to do with Pokemon. ._.;; I was going to be like "Lenalee = Raichi. Eshi = Big Bad Onix. Lenalee cannot attack. Level 4 = Pidgeot. Lenalee wins!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    but the level 4 seems to have been set up for other reasons. It's either that or we're meant to see that D.Gray-Man is turning into a typical shounen manga in a desperate attempt to increase its popularity.
    You and I really don't think alike at all it seems. I took these last few events as being the biggest step into the world of "Tragic Seinen" and away from anything like the Shounen 3.

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    ^If what you said is true, then Johnny would be long dead.


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    The level 4 appearance has made DGM seem more like Bleach than a seinen. None of the scientists died bloody, hideous deaths (that scene where Allen found them - they were unconscious, of all things); Johnny is okay; the akuma knocked everyone down a floor and their fates are unknown instead of killing them outright. Hoshino couldn't draw the level 4's soul, just Allen throwing up on the floor. This last arc has been much more like the typical shounen manga than any other part of DGM (except the Ark) - what happened to the times when we saw an akuma entering a person's body, or various people's body parts being nailed to other things?
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    rhode is my current fav character in this manga, woot. glad to see she's still alive after the deletion of the old ark.

    i'll have to agree with dante on this one: i don't see the "tactics" involved in krory going blood-serk.. it isn't something he thought of, it's just something that happened which neither of them expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    i'll have to agree with dante on this one: i don't see the "tactics" involved in krory going blood-serk.. it isn't something he thought of, it's just something that happened which neither of them expected.
    The Jasdevi example wasn't meant to be an example of "tactics" as much as "not strength alone". The last time we saw a good guy own a bad guy with pure strength was Allen getting Crowned Clown (well, okay, Cross vs. Tiki, but I think Hoshino just wanted to finish that part and move on. Besides, time in the manga wouldn't have allowed a long fight).
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