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    Krory does have plenty of speed, but whether he could stand up to that akuma's power is questionable. Besides, it doesn't exactly present a large target for his blood attacks, and he'd probably need time for that. Since he probably won't be in peak fighting condition when he awakens, I don't think he'll have a role in this.

    I think you're right about Kanda fighting this akuma too, although I really hope it doesn't happen. Maybe he'll just distract it while Lenalee gets her Innocence from Hevlaska.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    The return of Allen would be awfully lame - not only is he apparently unable to move for the moment, but we already know he doesn't stand a chance against the level 4. I think we'll see lots and lots of Lenalee agonizing over various things (probably about not being able to fight, worrying her brother, and wanting to save her friends) and then asskicking.
    it just would be interesting for someone to push his buttons for true anger like what happened to the Earl when the ark download failed. lol

    but they need to get Lenalee back into form cause all this crying and being helpless (for a while now) is pissing me off.

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    We already saw Angry Allen in this arc. He got super POd right before the akuma dodged his attack and smashed him into the wall.

    I'm not happy about Lenalee being weak, but I'm happy that at least her weakness is the result of an actual event that led to her losing power, not the random degeneration of her strength over time. She's shown in recent chapters that she does still have strength of character, so those particular moments when she can't do anything don't really bother me. Since she's almost certainly going to be able to protect people in future chapters...
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    I do not think Lenalee alone will beat an Akuma that even the Generals had trouble with. I think she'll end up being a very important factor in the defeat of Level 4 (this is, assuming that Level 4 is going down any time soon) but, I think in the end it will be teamwork what will bring it down.


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    Ew, teamwork. Still, Lenalee may not have the disadvantages that Allen did (slower, and quick-tempered). The Generals really didn't have time to attack and show us that they would have had trouble with it; the level 4 temporarily incapacitated them and then destroyed the floor (Lenalee shouldn't have a problem with that). There probably will be some element of teamwork... some group of people prevent the akuma from escaping or something like that, but Lenalee really needs to provide most of the attack to show the audience her power.
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    The Generals ended in a bad position after Level 4 used Growl. Then, while they were incapacitated, Level 4 killed (?) the old man. Also, Allen may have been annoyed but, that doesn't change the fact that he was the one that dealt with Tyki Mikk - who happens to be one of the most powerful members of the Noah family. He's one of the most power Exorcists, and he got beat down in less than 5 minutes.

    The last time we saw Lenalee in action, she could barely handle a Level 3. She has done nothing since that battle. There's no reason, nor there is a need to have her defeat the current foe alone. Especially when that foe is one that the current most powerful Exorcists haven't been able to deal with.

    Now, do not misunderstand me, I do want to see Lenalee in action, and I want her to look awesome. However, having her defeat Level 4 alone would be quite stupid, in my opinion. For once, I'd like to see them defeat an enemy not through strength but through tactics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    The Generals ended in a bad position after Level 4 used Growl. Then, while they were incapacitated, Level 4 killed (?) the old man. Also, Allen may have been annoyed but, that doesn't change the fact that he was the one that dealt with Tyki Mikk - who happens to be one of the most powerful members of the Noah family. He's one of the most power Exorcists, and he got beat down in less than 5 minutes.
    Allen did need the sword (and surprise attacks) to handle normal Tiki, and couldn't do any damage against the powered-up version. Even with his power, though, we never saw how powerful he is against the level 4 since Allen couldn't get an attack in. Had he been able to do so, we might have seen very different results. Besides, Allen recovered fairly quickly from being smashed into the wall.

    The last time we saw Lenalee in action, she could barely handle a Level 3. She has done nothing since that battle. There's no reason, nor there is a need to have her defeat the current foe alone. Especially when that foe is one that the current most powerful Exorcists haven't been able to deal with.
    Lenalee couldn't handle a level 3 that prevented her from attacking. Could she have gone up against a level 3 with different strengths and defeated it? Probably. It's kind of a similar situation with this level 4; we haven't seen an Exorcist been able to fight it because all but one never had the chance to attack in the first place. Since Lenalee's strengths could be used here - the akuma doesn't seem to be able to exploit her weaknesses, unlike Eshi - she might have a very good chance of defeating it. Strength isn't the only important thing in battle.

    Now, do not misunderstand me, I do want to see Lenalee in action, and I want her to look awesome. However, having her defeat Level 4 alone would be quite stupid, in my opinion. For once, I'd like to see them defeat an enemy not through strength but through tactics.
    Technically, Boric, Jasdevi, and Road were beaten through tactics rather than strength (yeah, it's hard to imagine Kanda thinking, but he did so), and Tiki's defeat also didn't rely on strength alone (the first time). Lenalee also didn't beat Eshi through strength alone. There's no chance that this is going to be a DBZ match of whose-hair-is-spikier (or whose chest hair is more manly, or whatnot), but strength has to play a role at some point or else Hoshino is going to have to write in major power-ups for the entire cast in case they fight level 4s in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Had he been able to do so, we might have seen very different results. Besides, Allen recovered fairly quickly from being smashed into the wall.
    That's precisely the issue here, he couldn't, and so far, no one else has been able to do so. That shows that Level 4 is a serious threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Since Lenalee's strengths could be used here - the akuma doesn't seem to be able to exploit her weaknesses, unlike Eshi - she might have a very good chance of defeating it. Strength isn't the only important thing in battle.
    That's my point. Level 4 seems to rely on speed more than anything else, and speed is Lenalee's forte. However, we do not know if Lenalee's speed can be compared to that of Level 4's or even if she can deal any damage to it, if she's able to get close. This is why I think teamwork would be useful in this battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Technically, Boric, Jasdevi, and Road were beaten through tactics rather than strength (yeah, it's hard to imagine Kanda thinking, but he did so), and Tiki's defeat also didn't rely on strength alone (the first time). Lenalee also didn't beat Eshi through strength alone.
    I'll agree on Boric but, Jasdevi, in the end, was defeated through a power-up that not even Krory anticipated. Road was defeated because her actions back-fired.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    That's precisely the issue here, he couldn't, and so far, no one else has been able to do so. That shows that Level 4 is a serious threat.
    I don't deny that it's a serious threat. However, that doesn't mean it's so powerful that no one will be able to deal with it, only that doing so may be difficult because it can't be done by just anyone.

    That's my point. Level 4 seems to rely on speed more than anything else, and speed is Lenalee's forte. However, we do not know if Lenalee's speed can be compared to that of Level 4's or even if she can deal any damage to it, if she's able to get close. This is why I think teamwork would be useful in this battle.
    Lenalee's speed/agility seem to be her greatest strengths... although we won't know if they're comparable until we actually see them fight. I think that Lenalee could put up a very good fight, but who knows.

    As for damage, the level 4 doesn't seem to have very much armor, if any. The lack of protection is probably why it has such great speed (it can't move without being light, but if it can't be hit, it doesn't need protection anyway). Unless it pulls out some kind of stupid Naruto power like the sand shield, which would make it just a little too overpowered...

    I'll agree on Boric but, Jasdevi, in the end, was defeated through a power-up that not even Krory anticipated. Road was defeated because her actions back-fired.
    Krory still didn't use power alone to beat Jasdevi. Road lost to Lavi not because she made a mistake but because Lavi was always one step ahead of her (that is, he outsmarted her). There was no use of physical strength there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    As for damage, the level 4 doesn't seem to have very much armor, if any. The lack of protection is probably why it has such great speed (it can't move without being light, but if it can't be hit, it doesn't need protection anyway).
    Not Tyki Mikk nor Rhode had major armours, and they've survived major attacks. All the same, who knows?

    An issue here is that I do not think Hoshino came up with an Akuma of an entire different level from the ones Bookmen have seen so far, just to make it quick. Once again, who knows? We'll have to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Krory still didn't use power alone to beat Jasdevi. Road lost to Lavi not because she made a mistake but because Lavi was always one step ahead of her (that is, he outsmarted her). There was no use of physical strength there.
    Krory kept on using his blood packs to be on par with Jasdevi but, that only worked until he/she/it found out. After that, he got almost killed, and then he used that odd power-up. Even then, he only managed to survive; Jasdevi didn't die.

    Rhode lost because she didn't expect Lavi to put his life to that level of risk, nor did she expect his will to be that strong. She underestimated him, and as a consequence, she didn't win.


 

 
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