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    Default Prediction thread: Innocence-related 100% speculation

    The idea came from discussion with Digi about Crowley and Kanda and Lazaj mentioning broken innocences of Lavi and Kanda. I did not see such a thread being created earlier, so if it was please delete this one. This whole thread is pretty much a pure speculation, because we have little info and, beside that, all this situation seem to be unknown to Order as well.

    So. We know that Kanda, Linalee, Crowley and Lavi currently have problems with thier innocences. Linalee is a separeted mater as the nature of her troubles is special so she won't be discussed here. The other three, however are connected - none of them is supposed to be a heart. Lavi and Kanda have thier innocences broken: the question is - what will happen to them? Crowley innocence behaved quite wierd in his battle with Jasdevi - why is that? Although I doubt that he'll have problems returning his innocence back - he is a parasytic type aftre all, thier innocence do not seem to be as fragile as equipment once.

    So, any ideas?

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    Crowley should be fine after a good rest. Kanda and Lavi... since the fragments of what was left of their Innocences should have been left in the Ark, I don't see how they'd get them back without some kind of togaochi-tempting experiment.

    But which reminds me, isn't it kind of weird that Lavi has an innocence at all? He's supposed to be all neutral, and yet how can he be expected to be neutral when he has this special power which only a max of 109 people on the planet can ever have? He's been "chosen by God", and as such, the whole "we're only on the side of the Order by chance" thing doesn't really fly. I can't imagine he'd have lasted too long if they had have sided with the Earl and Noah "by chance".

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    I agree about Crowley.

    Ark is still under control of Order so I don't think they'll have any problem collecting innocence particles. The good question is how are they going to restore innocence in it's original form (i do not think that the same way as Allen did it will work since they possess different types). Maybe Hevlaska can help.

    Well, Bookman is an exorcist, a chosen one, himself and yet he has no mental problems not acknowledging Order as comrades. And of course they couldn't have sided with Noah, simply because they'd have their innocence destroyed instantly.

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    Krory's blood-thing seems to be a natural ability of his Innocence, which does relate to blood. It seemed more like a transfer of consciousness than the live-saving actions of the known exceptions. Krory is also seriously injured right now; Allen and Lenalee both recovered unusually quickly from what should have been serious injuries (when their Innocences acted, that is). I don't think he's an exception as much as someone with a slightly more unusual parasitic-type (although if Cloud has a monkey, who knows).

    Lavi and Kanda can probably have their Innocence weapons restored because they were equipment-types, and it seems like they've still got the pieces of it anyway. It wasn't as if the Innocence itself was destroyed, just the form that it took (which is very different from Allen, whose Innocence was actually destroyed - or the attempt was made, anyway).

    And the Lavi having Innocence thing... it doesn't seem weird to me. Bookman and Lavi want to write the secret histories, and being allied with the Order is a good place to be in order to do that. They can still apparently fight akuma (and possibly Noah) with relatively little problems, possibly because their own lives are at risk. It benefits the Order to have two more Exorcists, and the Bookman pair to be able to write down history, so why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Krory's blood-thing seems to be a natural ability of his Innocence, which does relate to blood. It seemed more like a transfer of consciousness than the live-saving actions of the known exceptions. Krory is also seriously injured right now; Allen and Lenalee both recovered unusually quickly from what should have been serious injuries (when their Innocences acted, that is). I don't think he's an exception as much as someone with a slightly more unusual parasitic-type (although if Cloud has a monkey, who knows).
    I remember his teeth being his innocence; at least this was stayted in his arc. What is trange about him is the level of integration of his innocence with his bodily functions: his blood is venom to Akuma, meaning it has innocence inside itself, and, more then that, his blood can actually carry his innocence, which was shown in his battle against Jasdevi. Is this even normal? That his innocenc is gradualy taking over his whole body, not just staying in his teeth were it was origially put.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Lavi and Kanda can probably have their Innocence weapons restored because they were equipment-types, and it seems like they've still got the pieces of it anyway. It wasn't as if the Innocence itself was destroyed, just the form that it took (which is very different from Allen, whose Innocence was actually destroyed - or the attempt was made, anyway).
    Seeing how thier innocence was broken by the same person who killed Allens', I wonder if it will be that easy to do. Although I'm quite sure that Hoshino will make their comback later, I'm interested in the way it will be done. Here lies the potential of the same thing athat is going to happen with Linalee - the change of specialization. I can see their innocence switching types from equipment to parasytic. The base for this claim is the method that was used to restore broken innocence once already - in Allens' case. Back then a huge level of synchronization was needed, the one that both Kanda and Lavi are yet to reach. So why not do it in th process of restoring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    And the Lavi having Innocence thing... it doesn't seem weird to me. Bookman and Lavi want to write the secret histories, and being allied with the Order is a good place to be in order to do that. They can still apparently fight akuma (and possibly Noah) with relatively little problems, possibly because their own lives are at risk. It benefits the Order to have two more Exorcists, and the Bookman pair to be able to write down history, so why not?
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I remember his teeth being his innocence; at least this was stayted in his arc. What is trange about him is the level of integration of his innocence with his bodily functions: his blood is venom to Akuma, meaning it has innocence inside itself, and, more then that, his blood can actually carry his innocence, which was shown in his battle against Jasdevi. Is this even normal? That his innocenc is gradualy taking over his whole body, not just staying in his teeth were it was origially put.
    Blood is connected to teeth, though... His abilities always have related to blood, including his own, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to guess that his Innocence could do something like that (which is vaguely like Krory's blood-insertion ability). If he showed anything totally unrelated to that, then maybe.

    Seeing how thier innocence was broken by the same person who killed Allens', I wonder if it will be that easy to do. Although I'm quite sure that Hoshino will make their comback later, I'm interested in the way it will be done. Here lies the potential of the same thing athat is going to happen with Linalee - the change of specialization. I can see their innocence switching types from equipment to parasytic. The base for this claim is the method that was used to restore broken innocence once already - in Allens' case. Back then a huge level of synchronization was needed, the one that both Kanda and Lavi are yet to reach. So why not do it in th process of restoring?
    Kanda's sword broke from Boric's lightning attack, I thought? ...And Lavi's just cracked on its own from overuse? As far as we know, the Innocence itself is intact. What needs to be rebuilt is the weapon, so a better comparison would be the repairing of Allen's arm (as mentioned in chapter 134, I thought) rather than Allen's Innocence actually reforming itself from being destroyed. I'm not sure that their Innocence will evolve, though - Allen and Lenalee seem to be more important characters and probably relate to the Heart. If Kanda and Lavi have Innocence-changes, that means Lenalee is no more important than any other Exorcist. After all these chapters of people assuming she has the Heart, that would suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Blood is connected to teeth, though... His abilities always have related to blood, including his own, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to guess that his Innocence could do something like that (which is vaguely like Krory's blood-insertion ability). If he showed anything totally unrelated to that, then maybe.
    Well, blood is connected to any organ, including Allens arms.

    On the other hand - Hoshino have called him a vimpire herself (although this could be reffered to as a product of those townspeople stupidity) so maybe her original idea was to make his blood inot innocence. But then i do not see why his teeth became what they are now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Kanda's sword broke from Boric's lightning attack, I thought? ...And Lavi's just cracked on its own from overuse? As far as we know, the Innocence itself is intact. What needs to be rebuilt is the weapon, so a better comparison would be the repairing of Allen's arm (as mentioned in chapter 134, I thought) rather than Allen's Innocence actually reforming itself from being destroyed. I'm not sure that their Innocence will evolve, though - Allen and Lenalee seem to be more important characters and probably relate to the Heart. If Kanda and Lavi have Innocence-changes, that means Lenalee is no more important than any other Exorcist. After all these chapters of people assuming she has the Heart, that would suck
    Welll, yeah, Kanda's case has nothing to do with Tiki (i do not even know I i've written that it did). Lavi's innocence have suffered from several attackes of Tiki, so I think that he was the couse of its' destruction. Not just innocence being tired.

    The one who said that Lavi's innocece will be restored without any problems is Allen; I'm having a hard time viewing him as an expert of this matter. Of course, i may be wrong.

    No, Linalee is still different. Her innocnce fought on her own, unlike Lavi's and Kanda's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    On the other hand - Hoshino have called him a vimpire herself (although this could be reffered to as a product of those townspeople stupidity) so maybe her original idea was to make his blood inot innocence. But then i do not see why his teeth became what they are now.
    Maybe his teeth are the Innocence's physical form but it can affect his blood. Allen's Innocence is in his hand, after all, not in his entire arm.

    Welll, yeah, Kanda's case has nothing to do with Tiki (i do not even know I i've written that it did). Lavi's innocence have suffered from several attackes of Tiki, so I think that he was the couse of its' destruction. Not just innocence being tired.
    Tiki didn't destroy it, though... at least, not using Innocence-destroying attacks (as we've seen him use on Allen). There has been no indication that Lavi's Innocence itself is destroyed, only that it took one too many hits and, uh, got tired (like Allen's arm in volume 6, which was also crumbling).

    The one who said that Lavi's innocece will be restored without any problems is Allen; I'm having a hard time viewing him as an expert of this matter. Of course, i may be wrong.
    It seems weird that Allen would say something like that without knowing. It's probably likely that it's true.

    No, Linalee is still different. Her innocnce fought on her own, unlike Lavi's and Kanda's.
    Her Innocence would stand out less, though. One of the main arguments for hers being special is its "evolution", which we haven't seen before.

    Besides, I can't really see how Lavi's and Kanda's Innocences can be parasitic - they're clearly weapons that the others carry around with them. Lenalee's boots were closely connected to her legs, and that last attack of hers seemed a bit... weird...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Maybe his teeth are the Innocence's physical form but it can affect his blood. Allen's Innocence is in his hand, after all, not in his entire arm.
    It seems to be this way. I wonder what's his synchronisation rate is - must be over 80%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Tiki didn't destroy it, though... at least, not using Innocence-destroying attacks (as we've seen him use on Allen). There has been no indication that Lavi's Innocence itself is destroyed, only that it took one too many hits and, uh, got tired (like Allen's arm in volume 6, which was also crumbling).
    Well, Allens arm crumbled when he forced it to release more then he could bakc then, not just because he was using it for too long. Lavi was using normal attacks here, but apparently took to much damage and that's because Innocence was not able to hold its shape any longer. I'm not dure if Noah's attacks aimed to destroy innocence are any special compared to thier normal attcks. If this is a special ability that makes you way stronger it will only make sence to use it as much as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    It seems weird that Allen would say something like that without knowing. It's probably likely that it's true.
    Just how much experiance does he have on that matter? Only his own - that time he successfully restored his innocence. He must be basing his opinion on that fact, not taking into accout the difference between lavi and himself. He is not very bright after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Her Innocence would stand out less, though. One of the main arguments for hers being special is its "evolution", which we haven't seen before.
    They are just talking about possibility and impossibility - Komui still opposes futher synchroniztion because it may be too dangerous. Nobody is shure if this is even possible or not.

    Lavi concluded that Linalee is a heart after he saw her innocnce acting or its' own - that was his main argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Besides, I can't really see how Lavi's and Kanda's Innocences can be parasitic - they're clearly weapons that the others carry around with them. Lenalee's boots were closely connected to her legs, and that last attack of hers seemed a bit... weird...
    "Sword is the prolongation of your arm" - a common saying in any martial art connected with blades. A sword coming from your arm - cool, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It seems to be this way. I wonder what's his synchronisation rate is - must be over 80%.
    Very likely, since he hasn't had problems with it... and Allen and Lenalee both had rates that high, so it can't be too rare.


    Well, Allens arm crumbled when he forced it to release more then he could bakc then, not just because he was using it for too long. Lavi was using normal attacks here, but apparently took to much damage and that's because Innocence was not able to hold its shape any longer. I'm not dure if Noah's attacks aimed to destroy innocence are any special compared to thier normal attcks. If this is a special ability that makes you way stronger it will only make sence to use it as much as possible.
    It was crumbling in China, when Lenalee noticed and grabbed it... that was before Suman showed up. Anyway, if Tiki had attacked to destroy Lavi's Innocence, it would have been gone by the time Cross showed up. From what we've seen of Noahs destroying Innocence, the attack doesn't just weaken Innocence to allow easy destruction by any means; it actually destroys the Innocence. Since Lavi's broke when Allen tried to grab it (and it couldn't stand the pressure), it probably wasn't attacked that way.

    Just how much experiance does he have on that matter? Only his own - that time he successfully restored his innocence. He must be basing his opinion on that fact, not taking into accout the difference between lavi and himself. He is not very bright after all.
    Who knows. Lavi actually said that he was waiting for the scientists to restore his Innocence back at the Order - they were just too busy studying the Ark.

    They are just talking about possibility and impossibility - Komui still opposes futher synchroniztion because it may be too dangerous. Nobody is shure if this is even possible or not.

    Lavi concluded that Linalee is a heart after he saw her innocnce acting or its' own - that was his main argument.
    ...I meant that no other Innocence (besides Allen's) evolved? Um. Lavi wasn't the only one to conclude that Lenalee may have the Heart, though...

    "Sword is the prolongation of your arm" - a common saying in any martial art connected with blades. A sword coming from your arm - cool, no?
    Yes, absolutely, but that's Allen's Innocence.... and I don't see how Lavi and Kanda could have parasitic-Innocences with the forms they've already taken.
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