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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Not in every - Christianity made God look merciful - but remember that God from old testament, the one Jews understand, was no where near "Good". They were praying to him because they were scared of his wrath. Look at the whole Hiobe thing or Adam and Eve thing.
    Indeed, old God is neither kind nor merciful. BUT even so, he is still always right. Even when he destroyes two cities at once or the whole humanity. His right to do so is never in question, because he cannot be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If your theory is true, then Hoshino presents it's extremely badly - as Akuma trap the souls of both people inside, they can't get neither to heaven or hell and they end up in eternal limbo until some exorcist comes and purify them.
    Well, not eternal - just until the Last Judgement. Which is about to come anyways - if Earl does his job well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Also I am a little reluctant to call anything "Sin puryfying machine" which goes around killing people - unless you want to really represent is as great beast of Last Judgment, the monster of imperfection (since number 6 means imperfect and any number repeated 3 times means infinity - so 666 means infinite imperfection and 777 means god). But the last Judgment was a little more complex than that, so if there is connection, it's just that much.
    I actually ended up thinking that all Hoshino's references to Bible are rather superfitial and can hardly be called deep. So if she was to make a kind of reference we are talking about now, it would hardly have been very similar to events occuring in Bible in details, but rather it would have taken a form of several separeted symbols inserted in the story pretty randomly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Considering how many polytheistic religions there is, even in Egypt there were wars between "Which god is the true one?". At least Greeks and Romans weren't so religious...saying "your god is false" is what any psycho would say..
    I would laugh very hard if in the end we will get to know that Order was working under Christians God and Earl under, say, Set.

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    Some of the akuma - actually, a lot of them - look pitiful just because they're kinda pathetic. xD And I don't mean that in the soul-suffering way.

    The akuma probably aren't going to suffer for all eternity. It was mentioned in another thread that akuma are encouraged to seek out Exorcists, apparently; that's why the Exorcists wear the fancy coats. It wouldn't be wise for that to happen if the Earl was raising an army, but why not if the intention was for the akuma to die anyway? It's obvious that even a regular Exorcist can take out a level 3 fairly easily, yet the Earl still uses the akuma to attack Exorcists and... well, attacking Exorcists is really all they do, and they're pretty unsuccessful at it.

    As for the "God" thing, the Order is a Catholic institute and it's very likely that the Judeo-Christian morals/religious concepts are in place. That's one God. The "false God" probably refers to the Devil, hence Allen saying that to Road in volume 3.
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    Most of them look like huge balls with guns sticking out of them. Looks pretty radiculous, as Earl does BTW. And you do not usually draw an enemy, that is supposed to be feared, in a pathetic way, do you?

    Then Exorcists are really working for God. Well... at least when they are destroying Akuma.. Not that it really helps anyone, because Akuma will die soon anywau - along with the whole humanity. So Exorcists are still not doing any holy job here.

    The false God coming from Allens mouth obviously means Devil. However, when Earl says the same, the meaning is different - it most likely means Humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Most of them look like huge balls with guns sticking out of them. Looks pretty radiculous, as Earl does BTW. And you do not usually draw an enemy, that is supposed to be feared, in a pathetic way, do you?
    Yup. Many of the akuma minions also have ridiculous personalities that seem more for comic relief than anything else. Eliade was serious, sure, but Chomesuke had one of those catchphrases at the end of everything s/he said, and any intimidating, murderous akuma seems more insane than scary.

    Then Exorcists are really working for God. Well... at least when they are destroying Akuma.. Not that it really helps anyone, because Akuma will die soon anywau - along with the whole humanity. So Exorcists are still not doing any holy job here.
    If God wants the akuma destroyed, anyway. It does mean that there shouldn't be a conflict in the first place, though.

    The false God coming from Allens mouth obviously means Devil. However, when Earl says the same, the meaning is different - it most likely means Humanity.
    Or it could be the Devil, too. The Devil would want to oppose God at everything possible, right? Besides, more humans sinning and going to Hell to repent for sins instead of doing so on Earth would be beneficial for that evil being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Yup. Many of the akuma minions also have ridiculous personalities that seem more for comic relief than anything else. Eliade was serious, sure, but Chomesuke had one of those catchphrases at the end of everything s/he said, and any intimidating, murderous akuma seems more insane than scary.
    Eliade sure had some kind of curse on her shoulders, killing all the men close to her while longing for love.

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    If God wants the akuma destroyed, anyway. It does mean that there shouldn't be a conflict in the first place, though.
    Well, I'm sure that Akuma are firing back because they want to suffer more~~~

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    Or it could be the Devil, too. The Devil would want to oppose God at everything possible, right? Besides, more humans sinning and going to Hell to repent for sins instead of doing so on Earth would be beneficial for that evil being.
    That would mean that Innocence is devils creation. A plan to prevent God from destroying the sinful world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Well, I'm sure that Akuma are firing back because they want to suffer more~~~
    They're human souls. Humans have a natural fear of death and would do nearly anything to prevent it from happening, even if they are suffering.

    That would mean that Innocence is devils creation. A plan to prevent God from destroying the sinful world?
    Well, why not? It's sort of ironic that it's called "innocence", then, although plenty of bad things happen because of ignorance - a kind of innocence.
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    It seems that human soul is not the one that controls Akuma's body - isntead, some program operates and makes soul suffer. When we look from Allens point of view sould is always in pain even if Akuma's body actually enjoys fighting. My guess is that the more sins the body commits the more soul suffers, so the more Akuma evolves the "cleaner" soul becomes. Just a wild guess though.

    Well, devil is a fallen angel after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    The akuma probably aren't going to suffer for all eternity. It was mentioned in another thread that akuma are encouraged to seek out Exorcists, apparently; that's why the Exorcists wear the fancy coats. It wouldn't be wise for that to happen if the Earl was raising an army, but why not if the intention was for the akuma to die anyway? It's obvious that even a regular Exorcist can take out a level 3 fairly easily, yet the Earl still uses the akuma to attack Exorcists and... well, attacking Exorcists is really all they do, and they're pretty unsuccessful at it.
    Didn't Earl said it many times before - he has some many of those Akuma, that he doesn't care -also, if he just keept them somewhere, they would never evolve, since to evolve they need to kill.

    Moreover, if Earl has so much of them, he can just throw them and let Exorcist play with them - that way Exorcist are always working and fighting while Earl has enough time to construct arc, find new Noah's and bake a cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It seems that human soul is not the one that controls Akuma's body - isntead, some program operates and makes soul suffer. When we look from Allens point of view sould is always in pain even if Akuma's body actually enjoys fighting. My guess is that the more sins the body commits the more soul suffers, so the more Akuma evolves the "cleaner" soul becomes. Just a wild guess though.
    Maybe. It could be that while they do want the suffering to end, they're afraid to do so... that, or the more corrupt ones don't realize they're suffering (some are probably just sadistic bastards like Tiki). It could be a bit like an addiction, too. They suffer with each kill, but killing is the only way to make them feel a *little* better (even if they only attack Order members).

    Kolox, he could keep the akuma in villages and have them not attack Exorcists. Akuma aren't stupid; they do that all the time (like Eliade) and manage to survive.
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    ^ But aren't they supposed to kill Exorcist to win the battle ? So what Earl looses by loosing a pawn if he can always replace it with 10 more..

 

 
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