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    I wonder if all those abnormalities of Allens innocence that we have witnessed are not due to him being one of Heart's halves, but on the contrary are a result of his Noahness. Given that Innocence was said to be Noahs weakness it may sound strange, but considering the fact that innocence's greatest weakness are Noah too (as they can destroy it), it may not be so anymore. Givien this two facts, a good question rises - how were this two powers (of a Noah and Innocence) were able to coexist within Allen not causing him any trouble. It may be said that this was due to Noah's side sleeping (being in inactive state) all this time and being awakened only in Ark, when a time for Musitian had come. But then again - why no conflict has arised after they awakened?

    I assume that it is because yje two opposite powers have managed to merge somehow. Not recently, of course, but long ago. In this case it may be them who are responsible for Allen's innocence strange behaviour - back then, when Tiky destroyed it, he couldn't do it completely because he had no ability to destroy Noah's power, that had entered Allens innocence, and because of that fenomenon they have managed to survive. It also may be Noah's side responsibility for that Earl-like sword appearance, but since we do not know if it could be created without Noah's power or not we can't say so with confidence.
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    That's a really interesting theory, Reinard. I had suspected that Allen's sword didn't work on Tiki because of a possible Noah, but I didn't think of his Innocence's appearance being influenced by it, too. I'm not sure about Tiki not being able to destroy Allen's Innocence - Tiki mostly succeeded, it was just that a part had split off. That does seem to be more closely related to Lenalee, particularly since it was mentioned that both of their Innocences are "evolving". However, Allen's Innocence has also activated itself on its own - and in two of those times, his eye activated for apparently no reason (well, Eliade was an akuma, but his eye had been damaged before). Certainly, Allen's Innocence and any Noah powers being connected would make sense.
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    Well, the fact that both Linalees and Allens innocence are evolving at the same time does not mean that in both cases it happens because of the same reason. It, of course, may be the case, but it is not necessarily so. The cursed eye was recieved from a Noah, who was turned into Akuma after death. Only if Noahs genes have influence on thier bearer only during his life and lose thier effect completely after his death the eye would have no trace of Noahs power in itself. If Noahs effect is present even in a dead person it would be natural for a curse and therefor an eye to contain a piece of Noah power. In case of second variant being true, it would make sense for an eye to evolve together with development of Noahs power in Allen.

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    Oh, absolutely, the eye is evolving too. It is possible that Allen's evolving Innocence and Lenalee's evolving Innocence are not related in any way, although the characters in the manga seem to believe it is so, and therefore I don't think we can entirely rule that out. However, that would probably account only for the evolution of his arm - not the eye - and when it saved his life after the Tiki encounter; everything else is either possibly or almost certainly due to some other power (even his arm moving on its own - it happened before Allen received the curse, too, which could mean that if it is due to a Noah power, he would have had it before the curse).
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    I still stick with my "Noah's Extreme Longing For Cake" theory. (picture can still be found in my collection below)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    It is possible that Allen's evolving Innocence and Lenalee's evolving Innocence are not related in any way, although the characters in the manga seem to believe it is so, and therefore I don't think we can entirely rule that out.
    Yeah, it's true. Although neither of them said anything about both Linalee and Allen being a heart. Still, we can't ignore the possibility of Hoshino trying to tell us that the reason for evolving is the same by making different characters say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    However, that would probably account only for the evolution of his arm - not the eye - and when it saved his life after the Tiki encounter; everything else is either possibly or almost certainly due to some other power (even his arm moving on its own - it happened before Allen received the curse, too, which could mean that if it is due to a Noah power, he would have had it before the curse).
    Indeed. His arm moving before recieving a curse will make sense if we remember your version of Mana transfering Noah's power to Allen befoer dying. If it is true then merging of Allens parasitic innocecne and newly recieved Noahs power would have occured before Mana's murder, thus making it possible for and Arm to defend its owner.

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    I still stick with my "Noah's Extreme Longing For Cake" theory. (picture can still be found in my collection below)
    Then Allen shall be named "The Noah of Greed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Indeed. His arm moving before recieving a curse will make sense if we remember your version of Mana transfering Noah's power to Allen befoer dying. If it is true then merging of Allens parasitic innocecne and newly recieved Noahs power would have occured before Mana's murder, thus making it possible for and Arm to defend its owner.
    I still think that's the case considering that the Earl had to have some catalyst, if not a reason, for killing Mana for betraying him. On a possibly random note, when Tiki was transforming (um, after Allen cut him, I might add xD), he also had the image of a cross burned into his (right) hand. Yes, Allen's cross was his Innocence, but we've never seen Innocence take a form with that symbol, have we?

    Then Allen shall be named "The Noah of Greed"
    Awww, no, he's the Noah of Music so he can play the piano for Lenalee's dance recitals. And isn't it Lenalee who likes cake? (Hm...)
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    Yeah, a cross is a symbol of Noah's curse (just looks at thier foreheads), but that doesn't mean that any cross = Noah (unless it is on the forehead). So I not sure that we can use Allens left arm cross as indication here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Yeah, a cross is a symbol of Noah's curse (just looks at thier foreheads), but that doesn't mean that any cross = Noah (unless it is on the forehead). So I not sure that we can use Allens left arm cross as indication here.
    It probably doesn't have any real meaning; I just think it's a little weird (possibly something Hoshino is using as foreshadowing but doesn't play a major role in the manga). Anyway, if Allen does end up awakening as a Noah, he's going to be in a lot of trouble from both sides - there's only one Noah who doesn't seem to hate him right now, and she's a mystery.
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    Then Allen is "Noah of cake".

    I actually expect something as lame like dark matter and innocence being one and the same but control by different feelings.

 

 
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