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    We all know that Earl wants to collect the dragonballs and that's plenty evil.
    I really see this pattern - Allen will make something which will make him look really untrustworthy and lot of people in Black Order will start to be suspicious - then when time will come, Rouvelier will not let Allen fight since he could betray (based on some random event which happened before) and of course Allen will prove otherwise.

    I don't need to mention that Cross, Lenalee, Lavi and Komui (and maybe Kanda) will trust Allen till end.

    ...now when I think about it, did anyone actually asked him that ? Although the questions about Cross were annoyingly avoided all the time...but beside Rouvelier, no one questioned Allen past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    We all know that Earl wants to collect the dragonballs and that's plenty evil.
    I really see this pattern - Allen will make something which will make him look really untrustworthy and lot of people in Black Order will start to be suspicious - then when time will come, Rouvelier will not let Allen fight since he could betray (based on some random event which happened before) and of course Allen will prove otherwise.
    He's already got one on Jasdero's head!

    Allen's already under suspicion by the entire Order because he might have Noah powers. I don't think the final battle is going to start right after that... >_> And who knows, maybe the Inspector will send Allen out anyway. If he attacks the Exorcists, he'd become a Fallen (unless his special Innocence decides to be special again), and Allen has already proven that he's willing to fight akuma anyway.

    I don't need to mention that Cross, Lenalee, Lavi and Komui (and maybe Kanda) will trust Allen till end.
    I'm not sure about Cross and Komui. Cross probably will, but it seems possible that Allen might end up switching to the Noah side and Cross will muse that he should have done a better job of preventing that or something. If Komui doesn't trust Allen, it would mean serious-emo Komui (a good thing), and more conflict with Lenalee, who will, of course, trust Allen even if he was threatening to kill her for being the Heart.

    ...now when I think about it, did anyone actually asked him that ? Although the questions about Cross were annoyingly avoided all the time...but beside Rouvelier, no one questioned Allen past.
    Link kind of did - he asked how Allen knew the characters. Of course, even Allen hasn't put two and two together yet, let alone come up with four, so it'd be pointless to at the moment anyway.
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    Cross is the mastermind - of course he trusts Allen - if he didn't he wouldn't left him roam alone as exorcist but had him next to him all the time to keep an eye on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    Cross is the mastermind - of course he trusts Allen - if he didn't he wouldn't left him roam alone as exorcist but had him next to him all the time to keep an eye on him.
    If Allen runs off to the Noah, Cross might have a hard time trusting him. I don't think anyone expects him to, but if Allen experiences Noah's memories...
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    I'm afraid that Hoshino will make one of Kolox's (YAY Kolox!) predictions come true. I would much prefer Allen behaving Claymore-style and some of Exorcists following him or Allen proving our old theory and joining Noah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    If Komui doesn't trust Allen, it would mean serious-emo Komui (a good thing), and more conflict with Lenalee, who will, of course, trust Allen even if he was threatening to kill her for being the Heart.
    It would be perfect, it's killing three birds at ones - Komu's huge character development, no more happyhomehuggung and Lenalee's huge development. And of course, Cross will trust Allen for reasons Kolox has mentioned already.

    Going back to Inspector: when did he prove that he is willing to use any methods possible to defeat Earl and friends? Didn't he say that holy war can't be won with dirty hands? If it is about him practically sending Allen to fight in a current battle, then I think it is all about testing Allen - will he go to Noah or fight against them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I'm afraid that Hoshino will make one of Kolox's (YAY Kolox!) predictions come true. I would much prefer Allen behaving Claymore-style and some of Exorcists following him or Allen proving our old theory and joining Noah.
    DGM may have been predictable during the Ark arc, but it hasn't been quite as bad in terms of generic cheesyness as other shounen manga have. Let's just wait and see.

    It would be perfect, it's killing three birds at ones - Komu's huge character development, no more happyhomehuggung and Lenalee's huge development. And of course, Cross will trust Allen for reasons Kolox has mentioned already.
    Still not sure about Cross; he's been away from Allen for a while and he might not predict what Allen does (even if that's running away). He'd probably just hope for the best and think about forcing Allen to do it (like with debts or something).

    Going back to Inspector: when did he prove that he is willing to use any methods possible to defeat Earl and friends? Didn't he say that holy war can't be won with dirty hands? If it is about him practically sending Allen to fight in a current battle, then I think it is all about testing Allen - will he go to Noah or fight against them?
    Eh, maybe he did... He said his intent was to use the Ark and didn't get angry when Link let Allen use it. I'm sure he also wasn't opposed to the research of the Egg. If he isn't upset about Allen fighting now, why would he be angry later? Allen's Innocence should prevent him from fighting his comrades, and if he turns on the Order, the Inspector would probably have no problems ordering his death. As it is, they don't have very many functional fighting Exorcists, and Allen is still fighting for them. The Inspector appears to "use" things to his advantage - which is probably what he's doing now (use Allen until he betrays/isn't useful anymore, and then dispose of him).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    DGM may have been predictable during the Ark arc, but it hasn't been quite as bad in terms of generic cheesyness as other shounen manga have. Let's just wait and see.
    Thats true, ever since the end of the Ark arc things have started to improve from plots point of view. So we probably can rise our hopes about future developemnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Still not sure about Cross; he's been away from Allen for a while and he might not predict what Allen does (even if that's running away). He'd probably just hope for the best and think about forcing Allen to do it (like with debts or something).
    I have a better opinion about Cross then you He has a calculative mind (supposedly) that is capable of predicting Allen's actions. After all, the core of Allens personality is still the same as it was when Cross adopted and educated him so I do not see anything that could prevent Cross from predicting Allens actions. Also, General does not seem to be troubled by anything as he would be if noticed Allen changing for the worst, so I guess his opinion about his student haven't changed. He still trusts him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Eh, maybe he did... He said his intent was to use the Ark and didn't get angry when Link let Allen use it. I'm sure he also wasn't opposed to the research of the Egg.
    Both researches on Egg and Arc can give information about Earls plans and can help in predicting his actions. Order is not going to make Akuma with the egg to fight Earl's Akuma, is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    If he isn't upset about Allen fighting now, why would he be angry later? Allen's Innocence should prevent him from fighting his comrades, and if he turns on the Order, the Inspector would probably have no problems ordering his death. As it is, they don't have very many functional fighting Exorcists, and Allen is still fighting for them. The Inspector appears to "use" things to his advantage - which is probably what he's doing now (use Allen until he betrays/isn't useful anymore, and then dispose of him).
    I think that he allows Allen to fight right now to test him, to see if Allen will betray them or not. The reason for exectuting Allen was him supposedly being Noah so Inspector wants to see, if it is true or not. While Allen is fighting for them using Innocence there is no reason to kill him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Thats true, ever since the end of the Ark arc things have started to improve from plots point of view. So we probably can rise our hopes about future developemnt.
    Cheesy plotlines don't make anyone happy anyway. Besides, the only way we can assume the story will go in that direction is because it's cheesy and Murphy's Law exists.


    I have a better opinion about Cross then you He has a calculative mind (supposedly) that is capable of predicting Allen's actions. After all, the core of Allens personality is still the same as it was when Cross adopted and educated him so I do not see anything that could prevent Cross from predicting Allens actions. Also, General does not seem to be troubled by anything as he would be if noticed Allen changing for the worst, so I guess his opinion about his student haven't changed. He still trusts him.
    Yeah, probably... I think he'd be surprised if Allen went over to the Noah, but we don't know if that's even going to happen anyway. Allen is a bit of a predictable guy most of the time...

    Both researches on Egg and Arc can give information about Earls plans and can help in predicting his actions. Order is not going to make Akuma with the egg to fight Earl's Akuma, is it?
    We don't think they would have, but who knows. Maybe one of the bosses would have suggested it and the Inspector would order it and despite the opposition it would happen anyway. Since the Egg is probably going to be destroyed, that's never going to happen.

    I think that he allows Allen to fight right now to test him, to see if Allen will betray them or not. The reason for exectuting Allen was him supposedly being Noah so Inspector wants to see, if it is true or not. While Allen is fighting for them using Innocence there is no reason to kill him.
    Yeah, he was going to be tried for heresy on the suspicion of associating with Noah. Komui asked for more evidence, so now he's just being watched. The moment they find anything suspicious, they'd probably go after him for that, so Allen can't stay in the Order. We'd never see the Inspector preventing him from fighting because by that time he'd want Allen dead completely - not just locked up in jail where the Noah could rescue him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Cheesy plotlines don't make anyone happy anyway. Besides, the only way we can assume the story will go in that direction is because it's cheesy and Murphy's Law exists.
    Unfortunately, those two are plenty of reason for cheest plot to appear. We can only hope that Hoshino is better than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    We don't think they would have, but who knows. Maybe one of the bosses would have suggested it and the Inspector would order it and despite the opposition it would happen anyway. Since the Egg is probably going to be destroyed, that's never going to happen.
    You are right, we still do not know enough about Inspector to predict his actions. After all, he could have easily lied back then to make himself look like some saint who won't use dark weapon even if there is nothing else left. I hope that he will not be too evil - or else plot can easily slip to the cheesy direction, but he shouldn't be kind too (and he obviously and thankfully isn't). Just evil enough to oppose Allen's perfect purity and make him leave order.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Yeah, he was going to be tried for heresy on the suspicion of associating with Noah. Komui asked for more evidence, so now he's just being watched. The moment they find anything suspicious, they'd probably go after him for that, so Allen can't stay in the Order. We'd never see the Inspector preventing him from fighting because by that time he'd want Allen dead completely - not just locked up in jail where the Noah could rescue him.
    Thats true, right after evidence is found Allen will lose his head. So he probably will have to run away before it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Unfortunately, those two are plenty of reason for cheest plot to appear. We can only hope that Hoshino is better than that.
    She's been good at foreshadowing anything that's going to appear, even cheesy things like Cross, so...


    You are right, we still do not know enough about Inspector to predict his actions. After all, he could have easily lied back then to make himself look like some saint who won't use dark weapon even if there is nothing else left. I hope that he will not be too evil - or else plot can easily slip to the cheesy direction, but he shouldn't be kind too (and he obviously and thankfully isn't). Just evil enough to oppose Allen's perfect purity and make him leave order.
    The Order already seems a bit desperate - they're supposed to be saving the world yet they're willing to let plenty of people die (like Finders and even Exorcists) to achieve their goals. I wouldn't put it past the founders to do such things in order to achieve their goals.

    Thats true, right after evidence is found Allen will lose his head. So he probably will have to run away before it happens.
    Fortunately, Allen probably will have an early warning - he'd be the first to know if he was becoming a Noah, for instance. ^_~
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