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    a weapon must kill, not show mercy.
    allen need to learn from edward's experience...
    Even though he was alive, he didn't want to put himself in even more danger.
    and that's normal if you're a normal person unlike the exorcists


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3955elits View Post
    allen need to learn from edward's experience...
    It's ironic that Allen thinks of himself as a weapon yet still believes in human feelings, then... From his point of view, you don't need to be human to have feelings that deserve respect.

    and that's normal if you're a normal person unlike the exorcists
    It's cowardly, though. Would you seriously rather die than live in a dangerous area for the time being? Besides, lots of non-Exorcists (Finders) put themselves in danger, and not all Exorcists wanted to be Exorcists in the first place. Chaoji is considered a wuss because he wanted to pick the easy way out instead of facing danger, and in doing that, was disrespecting his comrades who did die and would have lived on with Maosa and Kie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    It's cowardly, though. Would you seriously rather die than live in a dangerous area for the time being? Besides, lots of non-Exorcists (Finders) put themselves in danger, and not all Exorcists wanted to be Exorcists in the first place. Chaoji is considered a wuss because he wanted to pick the easy way out instead of facing danger, and in doing that, was disrespecting his comrades who did die and would have lived on with Maosa and Kie.
    Are you saying that the perfect way to respect your comrades is to die meaninglessly? Makes no sense to me. It is reasonable to face the danger and fight if you have a chance of winning. However, the situation on the ship was not the one where Chaoji or any or his comrades exept Exorcists could do anything.

    Also, his will to die there along with his comrades can be considered as honorable way of behaving, if we remember the ways of samurai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Are you saying that the perfect way to respect your comrades is to die meaninglessly? Makes no sense to me. It is reasonable to face the danger and fight if you have a chance of winning. However, the situation on the ship was not the one where Chaoji or any or his comrades exept Exorcists could do anything.
    He was disrespecting them by not taking advantage of the life he had. Haven't you ever read/heard/whatever one of those scenes in fiction, where someone wants to die because someone important to them passed and then they learn that the best way to respect the dead person and make them happy is to live a good life? It's that kind of thing.

    Also, his will to die there along with his comrades can be considered as honorable way of behaving, if we remember the ways of samurai.
    Yeah, but Chaoji's a sailor, not a samurai... xD His reason was just being scared of akuma in Edo, too.
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    Fuh, thanks for specifying you opinion. I was like "WTF?! o_O" after reading yur previous post. Even if sailor, he still is a man of Middle Ages and his psychology should be of that kind. Not that I'm a specialist in this area, but from what I have read it seems quite common for people to follow fate of thier masters. Not only for aristocrats or samurais, even for peasunts.

    Also, even if staying alife is a better way out of that situation from a logical point of view (which I complitely agree with) we must not forget that Chaoji (just like any human with heart) judged situation not logically but emotionally. I can understand his desire to follow his comrades. Even if it was hardly the best decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Fuh, thanks for specifying you opinion. I was like "WTF?! o_O" after reading yur previous post. Even if sailor, he still is a man of Middle Ages and his psychology should be of that kind. Not that I'm a specialist in this area, but from what I have read it seems quite common for people to follow fate of thier masters. Not only for aristocrats or samurais, even for peasunts.
    ...Middle Ages?! It's the end of the Victorian era... Anyway, I think it was just Chaoji being a wuss. Anita wanted everyone who didn't die to keep living, anyway.

    Also, even if staying alife is a better way out of that situation from a logical point of view (which I complitely agree with) we must not forget that Chaoji (just like any human with heart) judged situation not logically but emotionally. I can understand his desire to follow his comrades. Even if it was hardly the best decision.
    It's an understandable decision, since humans can be weak, but it doesn't mean Chaoji wasn't being a wuss. Of course, he isn't as wussy anymore, so that's a good thing.
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    Its Victorian Era in Europe. Asia was complitely differnet in terms of progress back then.

    Yes, he was not behaving like some super hero, but we can't despise him for that, can we?

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    That's true, but it looked like Anita's area (or at least Anita herself) had quite a bit of contact with the Western world. Chaoji can speak English, after all. I think she was more modern than that.

    I despised Chaoji because he had no importance to the plot. Then he started criticizing Allen and I stopped hating him. <3
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    They all seem to speak Japanese Even the englishmen Allen.

    Me too. ^_^

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    XD They all speak English; it's just been translated into Japanese by Hoshino, apparently. It was stated in a talk room that everyone speaks English (although in China, some conversations are in Chinese - the bubbles are marked with "Chinese" or "English", apparently). Why all these foreigners would know English so perfectly I do not know...
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