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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I do not see Mana being able to escape Earl's retribution for 12 years that impossible. Croos manages to do it after all (I doubt that he simply uses that woman al the time - it would have been to tiresome).

    OK, I agree that he wanted Allen to have his powers. But wasn't him cursong Ark considered a betrayal?
    Cross hid for three years, not twelve (and he probably does use Maria; it can't be too tiring for him, and she's dead already). I suppose Mana could have known Maria, but Mana would also be more of a priority for the Earl than an Exorcist-General who just annoys him.

    As for Allen - the curse, or the exchange of power? It wouldn't really have been a betrayal if Mana wanted Allen to be a Noah like him... but the Earl might've seen it that way. Are you talking about the curse, though?
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    It's not that Mana wanted Allen to be Noah, only to have power of Musitian, which mean having controll over Ark, thus preventing Earl from using it. An this certanly is a betrayal.

    I meant how Mana cursed the Akr so that it became unmoveable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It's not that Mana wanted Allen to be Noah, only to have power of Musitian, which mean having controll over Ark, thus preventing Earl from using it. An this certanly is a betrayal.
    That could be possible, but why couldn't Mana have wanted Allen to be a Noah (instead of him - because it would mean Allen would die at the hands of the Noah/akuma) and the fact that the Earl couldn't use the Ark was kind of a side effect that wouldn't have mattered had things gone as Mana wanted them to?

    I meant how Mana cursed the Akr so that it became unmoveable.
    We're not sure he did. For all we know, just giving up the powers to someone else could have done that accidentally - maybe by "resetting" it or something. It obviously wasn't that immovable because Allen moved it to the Order.
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    Because it seems kind of strange to me: if Mana wanted Allen to work with Earls in Mana's place, why had he betrayed Earl in the first place?

    Mana made it that way that only he was capable of moving Ark. Allen was able to do it becasue he has Manas powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Because it seems kind of strange to me: if Mana wanted Allen to work with Earls in Mana's place, why had he betrayed Earl in the first place?
    Maybe the intent wasn't betrayal - the Earl only saw the action (the exchange of powers) as such despite Mana's motives being otherwise?

    Mana made it that way that only he was capable of moving Ark. Allen was able to do it becasue he has Manas powers.
    In relation to above: if Allen is the only one able to move the Ark, the Earl would be less inclined to kill him for having Mana's powers. I don't think Mana made it so that it couldn't be moved at all (to hinder the Earl) because if so, how could Allen move it just by playing a simple melody? Wouldn't removing that safeguard take more?
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    We all know that Allen is too much of a hero to betray. He might betray Black Order but he will never betray humanity. Maybe we will get a moment when Allen will be brainwashed to work for Noah, but he won't willingly join them. Hoshino makes that really obvious.

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    @ Digi: It is not exchange of powers that was considered a betrayal, it was 14th escape from Earls place and him cursing Arc that was an act of betrayal.

    Simply because only Mana nad Cross knew about instrument in that secret room in Ark. Earl never knew about it hence he didn't have a tool to move an Ark.

    @ Kolox: As I said before, since Order =/= humanity, betraying Order wouldn't be betraying humanity so Allen can do it if Hoshino wants him to. It won't be out of character. And yes, he won't work for Noah for sure. Even if they do thier jib for a gods sake it won't matter to Allen since he, according to himself, doesn't care about god.

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    I feel quite dissatisfied with whole "God" thing in DGM. It really is undeveloped. If Hoshino didn't want to breach the taboo, why she brought it out in the first place ? We see no devotion to it in whole DGM - damn, I would say 99% of characters are probably atheist or masons

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    ...just look at Linalee - she doen't dress like nun. And you are right, none of Exorcists fight for God, they all have thier personal matters and could care less whtever that religion is called.

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    So why even call them exorcists. They couldn't just be a "Black Order with absolutely no connection to any religion" - or maybe it wouldn't be so cool then ?

 

 
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