Thread: Chapter 143 Discussion - Johnny gets owned again.

Originally Posted by reinard-fox

Indeed. Nobody wants to see the same thing repeated within just 30 chapters. Both of them being captured is a possible option, but for that fight will have to last for quite some time - Lenalee has to get away of that room she is locked in, go to Hevlaske, synchronize with her innocence, reach the Arc, transfer ito the battlefield, fight for some time and then both of them would be captured. The scenary where she reaches the scene just to witness the very end of a fight with Allen being captured seems more possible.

Lenalee doesn't need to fight; Lulu could be like "oh! target! bonus! capture!" and Lenalee doesn't start fighting until after that, in the black Ark or whatever. I agree, though; it'd be better if she makes it just in time to see Allen get captured and not be able to do anything about it.

Cool characters are to be killed for the sake of plot and emotion developemnt. Sadly.

Aside from Allen and Lenalee (who can't die until the end anyway), Komui is the only one who I wish would live to the end, even if I understand that his death would be just awesome for the plot. I hope he gets many, many scenes before then... and gets to look cool...

Even putting that aside Allen already has plenty of a reason to. He actually doesn't even seem to understand the reason behind his arrest.

He doesn't understand his connection to the 14th, but he knows that's the reason. Still, Allen's a nice guy - he doesn't hate Link when the guy is trailing him constantly and accusing him of that kind of thing. Why would he hate the Inspector for that? Of course, Rouvelier could always be a total jackass to him and get the same expression that Allen gave Chaoji in chapter 123... or Allen could find out about how Lenalee is scared of him... that'd inspire hate, I bet. :3

Komui has a good chance os dying by the hands of Order if Inspector really wishes for Allen to be gone no matter what and Komui keeps defending Allen.

I do not expect Allen to hate Rouvelier. Just to kill him XD Nothing personal, just business.

Originally Posted by reinard-fox

Komui has a good chance os dying by the hands of Order if Inspector really wishes for Allen to be gone no matter what and Komui keeps defending Allen.

Aww, that's suck. If that happened Lenalee might just run off join Allen even if he is a Noah. >_>;; I'd prefer Komui to die at the hands of akuma or Noah - conflict!

I do not expect Allen to hate Rouvelier. Just to kill him XD Nothing personal, just business.

But it'd be fun if Allen hated him for what the Inspector did to Lenalee... or at least, I can't see Allen not hating him if he finds out. That'd be a reason for Allen to really betray the Order, too.

That would be a pretty ordinary death - Komui deserves some special service.

If Inspector wants Allen to hate him he would have to at least rape Linalee. And that's unlikely to happen.

Originally Posted by reinard-fox

That would be a pretty ordinary death - Komui deserves some special service.

He could be tortured and killed, and then Lenalee develops an intense and passionate hate for the Noah and akuma that will lead to conflict if/when Allen joins them?

If Inspector wants Allen to hate him he would have to at least rape Linalee. And that's unlikely to happen.

Yeah, Lenalee isn't that weak. Still, Lenalee is really terrified of him - if he tortured her or something like that (probable), Allen might feel pretty strongly about that...

Why would they need to torture him? Just make him into Akuma... and then make Linalee fight it. It will work even better for creating hatred.

I doubt that Linalee is ready to tell Allen about it - this memories seem to be quite deep, so a certan level of intimacy should be reached between L. and A. for her to be able to tell him about that. They have a long way to go till they reach that level.

Originally Posted by reinard-fox

Why would they need to torture him? Just make him into Akuma... and then make Linalee fight it. It will work even better for creating hatred.

A Skull, you mean? I thought they might torture Komui for information since he does have access to so much of it.

I doubt that Linalee is ready to tell Allen about it - this memories seem to be quite deep, so a certan level of intimacy should be reached between L. and A. for her to be able to tell him about that. They have a long way to go till they reach that level.

She told Allen about her parents dying and about her suicide attempt back in volume 3; they're much closer now. Give them time for a private conversation and...

A Skull is the option, but not the best one: if they want Linalee to suffer they should make her fight against the closest person in the world to her (if not Allen then at least Komui), so they need to make him into a fighting type - Akuma.

Earl doesn't seem to care much about information about Order plans - or else they would already have taken some of those scientinsts alife instead of killing/creating Skulls of them. And they certanly would prefer to kidnap Reever instead of simply killing him, as he being an important member of Order may have some info.

I forgot about that ^_^;; Then nothing prevents Allen from hating Inspector as much as he/Linalee wants.

Originally Posted by reinard-fox

A Skull is the option, but not the best one: if they want Linalee to suffer they should make her fight against the closest person in the world to her (if not Allen then at least Komui), so they need to make him into a fighting type - Akuma.

The only way to make Komui into an akuma would be to kill him and have someone revive him. Since the person most likely to do that is Lenalee, she wouldn't be fighting against Komui if that happened.

Earl doesn't seem to care much about information about Order plans - or else they would already have taken some of those scientinsts alife instead of killing/creating Skulls of them. And they certanly would prefer to kidnap Reever instead of simply killing him, as he being an important member of Order may have some info.

There's a difference between a scientist and the Chief Monitor. He'd be much more useful than some lowly grunts (even Reever is still just the head of a department, and wasn't at that meeting).

I forgot about that ^_^;; Then nothing prevents Allen from hating Inspector as much as he/Linalee wants.

And then Allen can tell Lenalee about his problems when she wears him down with crying and she helps him understand what's going on...

Originally Posted by Digi

The only way to make Komui into an akuma would be to kill him and have someone revive him. Since the person most likely to do that is Lenalee, she wouldn't be fighting against Komui if that happened.

Well, they may have some of scientific bureau guys call out for him after killing him. Anyways, there is no way for us to predict how will this end for Komui at the current point.

Originally Posted by Digi

There's a difference between a scientist and the Chief Monitor. He'd be much more useful than some lowly grunts (even Reever is still just the head of a department, and wasn't at that meeting).

Well, thats true. I wonder if Earl does care about Order at all, he didn't seem to be too concerned before, all that interest him are Linalee, Innocence and Cross+Allen. And he can always use Lulu with her transformation ability as the spy. it will be way more efective then torturing Komui for information.

Originally Posted by Digi

And then Allen can tell Lenalee about his problems when she wears him down with crying and she helps him understand what's going on...

Well, pretty much so. And in the end we have Eureka 7-like scene.