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    err the 2nd version is out...and it clears my confusion on this chapter.
    So : there was more than two people who were collaborating with the traitor "14th" and one of them was cross(?).the order got proof on this.
    noah on period ??? and how can they beat that kind of noah?that's scary...


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    (I thought Tiki was the Sexiness. Actually, you seem to have got the others covered. xD)

    Stained/Kolox: It'll be Cross vs. Lulubell. =P And you know how he'll beat her.

    It does seem likely that Cross collaborated with the 14th, although obviously not in the sense of receiving his powers. Cross is so manipulative that he probably did it without Mana noticing, or even being aware that anyone was an Exorcist.
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    Only thing I didn't like about the chapter was Hitler making cakes, I thought it was an unnecesary comedy relief. But, yeah something is coming up, hope is something good.

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    I hate the orders....they're just evil...
    maybe not in the sense of receiving power but how to bring down the earl...I doubt mana didn't noticed it...I'd expect some unusual meeting between:cross,mana,maybe the 14th and the old man that rouvellier talking about...
    maybe mana is the 14th or maybe not...
    If he is not the 14th that'd make a new question:who is he that make him worthy enough to make 14th collaborating with him?


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    ^they're not evil, they just want to win the damn war.

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    Give them a better solution to win this and SURVIVE, since pretty much Earl wants to KILL US Kill us all ;p

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    no they're evil...evil enough to make lenalee wanted to runaway from them so bad.
    btw we still don't know which is the good side or the bad side....have we not?


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    You know, I hoped that we don't know who is good and evil, but it's pretty clearly made that majority of Black Order is clearly good and Noah's are plenty of evil. All we will probably see is one high-up maniac who wants to use the power of innocence for his own gain, that's all.

    ..well, I think this a little exageration - so Lenalee has some traumatic experiences, big deal - if she really hated it so much she would run away years ago. (haha - FSN did it better with Sakura - dammit, sold out by her real family and being inserted with hundreds of crest worms so she would become a sacrifice for Holy Grail and being continuously violated by her brother.....damn, that's some trauma..).

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    Somehow, I don't think LeVerrier is baking cakes because he just likes to...

    If Mana wasn't the 14th, then why did he know the symbols that are associated with the 14th? If it was something the collaborators knew, then wouldn't Cross have knowledge of them, too? That would give him power, wouldn't it?

    There isn't really a "good side" or "bad side" when it comes to the Order vs. the Noah (Allen is obviously the "good guy" because he's the protagonist, and everyone who opposes him is "bad"). Sure, the Noah have some weird goals that we may not like, but the Order isn't exactly perfect, and it looks like their motives may be called into question at some point, too. If they really wanted to protect humans, why would they treat their own underlings in such a manner? And remember, the title is "D.Gray-Man"... seriously, isn't it better to have bad people on both sides rather than a clearly defined side of good and bad?

    I don't think they're exaggerating with Lenalee's trauma at all. Remember: her family DIED. She was separated from her brother - the only one left alive - when she was a little girl, and taken to a place where they don't really think of her life as being important. She was sent to fight against human souls in dead human bodies, see her comrades die painful deaths, and face it herself. When she tried to run away or kill herself, they stopped her. What that would end up doing is breaking her spirit and making her totally dependant on the Order, which it failed to do because of Komui, I suppose. At any rate, she didn't really open up to anyone before Allen came along; you can see that in previous chapters, and Cross commented that she's been showing her emotions more. I think Hoshino has done an excellent job of creating a realistic situation with fairly realistic results without totally screwing up the character.

    And stop referencing FSN, please - Sakura's situation is completely unrealistic. Anyone who went through that would be screwed up to the point of never being able to be nice to or even properly associate with people again. That's also totally exaggerated - at least child soldiers are something REAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Somehow, I don't think LeVerrier is baking cakes because he just likes to...
    It's a hobby probably - baking cakes is good for stress - I know it from my own experience.

    f Mana wasn't the 14th, then why did he know the symbols that are associated with the 14th? If it was something the collaborators knew, then wouldn't Cross have knowledge of them, too? That would give him power, wouldn't it?
    He probably was 14th or associated with him - and I think Allen can read it because of the eye and knowledge he had.

    There isn't really a "good side" or "bad side" when it comes to the Order vs. the Noah (Allen is obviously the "good guy" because he's the protagonist, and everyone who opposes him is "bad"). Sure, the Noah have some weird goals that we may not like, but the Order isn't exactly perfect, and it looks like their motives may be called into question at some point, too. If they really wanted to protect humans, why would they treat their own underlings in such a manner? And remember, the title is "D.Gray-Man"... seriously, isn't it better to have bad people on both sides rather than a clearly defined side of good and bad?
    Naah, I am starting to think Hoshino doesn't grasp the idea of Gray at all - anything I could call gray here is "Getting to good results by leaving bodies behind". From all the perspective, if I was on Order side I would think Cross is evil Seriously, he acts really suspicious.

    I don't think they're exaggerating with Lenalee's trauma at all. Remember: her family DIED. She was separated from her brother - the only one left alive - when she was a little girl, and taken to a place where they don't really think of her life as being important. She was sent to fight against human souls in dead human bodies, see her comrades die painful deaths, and face it herself. When she tried to run away or kill herself, they stopped her. What that would end up doing is breaking her spirit and making her totally dependant on the Order, which it failed to do because of Komui, I suppose. At any rate, she didn't really open up to anyone before Allen came along; you can see that in previous chapters, and Cross commented that she's been showing her emotions more. I think Hoshino has done an excellent job of creating a realistic situation with fairly realistic results without totally screwing up the character.
    I think she was opening up before more - she opened up first to Lavi, remember ? Also for something she hates a lot she believes in ideals of Order to be sincere, but still can't forgive some methods. Quite childish.

    And stop referencing FSN, please - Sakura's situation is completely unrealistic. Anyone who went through that would be screwed up to the point of never being able to be nice to or even properly associate with people again. That's also totally exaggerated - at least child soldiers are something REAL.
    Oh, that was quite realistic. The best part being that Emiya Shirou was actually at fault of her misery - since she accepted that she is a just a trash, she was quite resistant to pain, but when Shirou came he gave her hope for happiness. She could endure it as long as she knew she could go to his home next day..but waiting for it was also very painful. She got freaking mad in 3rd route, thinking that Tohsaka Rin was trying to steal Emiya Shirou from her... to the extend she was trying to kill both Rin and Shirou, for betraying her hopes...she broked. The way she killed Gilgamesh, Matou Shinji, Berserker or Kotomine Kirei proves it....

 

 
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