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  • Allen 'Filthy hands' Walker - the supposed-to-be a hero with girly face

    9 14.06%
  • Aleister "Emo-Vamp" Crowley - Go cry to your mommy ! Oh, I forgot - you don't have one !!

    12 18.75%
  • Kanda 'Idiot' Yuu - Did you just said something which could developed your character ?

    16 25.00%
  • Rinali "Crybaby" Lee - Because crying helps a lot

    21 32.81%
  • Bookman the "Old fart" - Did just the air got toxicated ?

    14 21.88%
  • Cross "I am the Best" - No one wants you here !!

    8 12.50%
  • Lavi 'Supposed to be useful teammate' - Do something beside standing and being amazed!

    11 17.19%
  • The China branch and main branch nerds - Freaking weirdo's (just choose one from them)

    14 21.88%
  • Komui 'Incest' Lee - The only person he will marry is his own sister

    12 18.75%
  • Chaoji - Who are you anyway ?

    34 53.13%
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    *votes for linali*

    She didnt do anything but crying and crying.. Snapped it out, girl!!!!

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    What do you mean? She's saved everyone a million times in the past. Just because she's weak now doesn't mean she hasn't done anything in the past, or ever will. That's totally illogical.
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    well I voted for Rinali too, not based on physical evidence wise when analyzing the manga but more from the irritation and annoyance that arises when she cries and fails to accomplish much if anything at all. Example: Rinali in the Ark arc enclosed in her little prison, crying/wailing while everyone else is fighting. (maybe she was with chaoji <-- also worthless)

    I honestly wanted to pick more than one. I'd probably pick Chaoji as well, same with Komui and the branch leaders AND, (yes theres more) Bookman and Crowley. Komui, I just kinda look down on his personality, even though he has shown that he can be sensible at times and exceedingly intelligent, but majority of the screen time he gets, he shows his "dominant" incestous sis-con personality, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if DGM's author made him out to be a pedophile and had some other weird fetishes as well. Crowley, he's just so ignorant -______-;;, I mean honestly, can someone like him really exist out in the world? Not that allen or several other ppl in DGM that I won't mention could either but for the sake of argument, Crowley is just.. arghhh. and Bookman.. ehh, Eon basically summed it up, worthless old fart who never amounted to much but talked shit to Lavi like he actually stilll had a pair.

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    Um, but that's the Ark arc, not the entire manga. Were you saying that Lenalee is worthless when she saved an entire boat of people from the akuma? Or Allen? Or the little girl?

    (You COULD pick more than one. Dumbass. >_>; Why should Komui die? He's meant to be a comical character, which is a relief in a serious manga like DGM. And he hasn't been portrayed as creepy so far, just maybe homosexual, and that definitely doesn't mean paedophilia. As for Crowley, he's been kind of isolated for his entire life. No wonder he's a bit ignorant of things.
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    nuh uh I just tried to vote again and it wouldn't let me X_X liess!

    Anyway, first the Rinali point. Isn't a character supposed to mature over the period of a series and arcs? A character with time is supposed to develop and turn into their "true" self, and apparently that crying, weak and relatively useless rinali at the Ark arc is the most recent and if manga patterns hold true, the most developed and up to date Rinali showing her "true self" as being .. really that weak. And about the boat Eon, ok so she beat up that akuma and "saved her friends". Great job Rinali, but what about everyone else? EVERYONE has gone out of their way to take one for the team. Lavi took one by choosing to burn himself as well in the Ark, same with Allen, choosing to rip his arm through all those candle darts to try and save Rinali and stop Rhode. Crowley and Kanda both gave themselves up or thought they did in the Ark fighting their Noah opponent, not to mention Kanda rammed himself through w/ a sword to sever the innocence from that immortal swordsman's hand. But the only difference? No one was weak enough to have to destroy their innocence to try and complete their mission/objective, putting their life on the line was enough, apparently Rinali was too weak so her sacrafice was not only possibly her life but her innocence as well.

    ANOTHER reason I inherently dislike Rinali is she sort of fits into the Piccolo theory from Dragonball Z. First let me explain that theory briefly and then describe how Rinali fits in to an extent. Piccolo serves a really disgusting yet semi important role in DBZ which is basically just to buy time for Goku to train some more while Piccolo gets his ass thrown across the tv screen for 3 episodes or more. Piccolo never gets any stronger, rather, he was never even strong to begin with, but apparently his ability to buy goku some extra time gets better and better since he consistently manges to last through 3 episodes alive, even against stronger and stronger opponents despite losing limbs and almost his life while Goku trains away in that hyperbolic time chamber or sits behind a rock trying to recover. That is Piccolo's ONLY role in all of DBZ.

    Now Rinali doesn't exactly become the beat up doll for Allen in DGM, but she never aspires to anything more than a second maybe even third class exorcist. Her role has basically been to take care of the smaller trash akuma, which she deviates from, only ONCE in DGM by taking on that underwater lvl 2 or 3 Akuma and defeating it barely. Good job Rinali, you just had your one and last exciting victory. I will eat my words if her Innocence turns out to be the Heart, but until then, she is basically a low grunt that extreminates insects. She basically makes the plot move on, by being the puppet bait for Allen for Rhode in that time town. Then she is like a portable emotional cushion for Allen in venting about General Cross, then is the target for the incestous fetishes of her older brother Komui. I mean honestly wtf is really so great about Rinali, nothing. Great she saved Allen a few times, maybe he wouldn't be there in the first place if she didn't tag along.

    Anyway, I could do w/o Komui's comic relief. He's really not even that much of a comic relief -_____-;;. DGM is more seriuos than Bleach or Naruto, but compared to a really serious/depressing manga like Deep Love Ayu, that makes DGM look like Dokuro Chan. He is more than creepy, he is def DEF a incestous sis con. Who else would make all those crazy robots with alterior motives. I mean look at his colleagues, Striker and that other little kid's dad who is a researcher as well. They're as normal as can be, how the hell did Komui turn out like that, not to mention he DOES have family in that Exorcist headquarters.

    AS FOR CROWLEY, wow, where do I begin. He's been isolated all his life and is pretty ignorant, that much I agree with you and is granted. But I can't see how you're confusing him being isolated his whole life with being a complete dumb ass. I mean come on, common sense here, I know he's lived in a castle alone but hey, he's been out of the castle for quite a long time now, apparently he's slow as well as ignorant. He lived with an Akuma for like years and he's supposed to feed off of them, seriously, wtf, anyone can tell theres something wrong.

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    ^That was multiple poll - you could vote for more than one, but you can't vote twice. I made it myself so I know it

    ..and I would disagree with the Piccolo thingy - Piccolo actually had a role in DBZ (trained Gohan, he was coming up with some idea's - like this stupid timetraining room) so he had even more role than Rinali has

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    Quote Originally Posted by dredan View Post
    Anyway, first the Rinali point. Isn't a character supposed to mature over the period of a series and arcs? A character with time is supposed to develop and turn into their "true" self, and apparently that crying, weak and relatively useless rinali at the Ark arc is the most recent and if manga patterns hold true, the most developed and up to date Rinali showing her "true self" as being .. really that weak.
    You're making it sound like the series has ended already. No character becomes their "true self" so early in the manga. Yes, she's weak, and has become that way, but that's another step in BECOMING strong. If she's still weak and crying by the end of the series, I'd even hate her too, but I doubt Hoshino-sensei is planning that. I certainly wouldn't hope that other characters have developed into maturity yet - they all still have a long way to go.

    And about the boat Eon, ok so she beat up that akuma and "saved her friends". Great job Rinali, but what about everyone else? EVERYONE has gone out of their way to take one for the team. Lavi took one by choosing to burn himself as well in the Ark, same with Allen, choosing to rip his arm through all those candle darts to try and save Rinali and stop Rhode. Crowley and Kanda both gave themselves up or thought they did in the Ark fighting their Noah opponent, not to mention Kanda rammed himself through w/ a sword to sever the innocence from that immortal swordsman's hand. But the only difference? No one was weak enough to have to destroy their innocence to try and complete their mission/objective, putting their life on the line was enough, apparently Rinali was too weak so her sacrafice was not only possibly her life but her innocence as well.
    Not just her friends, but the sailors, too. I might add that this was BEFORE the Ark, too - yeah, everyone's gone and sacrificed themselves, but this was AFTER Lenalee. And for all we know, she could do the same thing. How many people were doing that in the first nine volumes? (And also, you're incorrect - Kanda broke his Innocence while fighting Boric. He melted it to use its Noah-killing power or whatever.). Anyway, I wouldn't say that she's weak; that's like saying that Allen is weaker since he lost his Innocence and died without fighting.

    ANOTHER reason I inherently dislike Rinali is she sort of fits into the Piccolo theory from Dragonball Z. First let me explain that theory briefly and then describe how Rinali fits in to an extent. Piccolo serves a really disgusting yet semi important role in DBZ which is basically just to buy time for Goku to train some more while Piccolo gets his ass thrown across the tv screen for 3 episodes or more. Piccolo never gets any stronger, rather, he was never even strong to begin with, but apparently his ability to buy goku some extra time gets better and better since he consistently manges to last through 3 episodes alive, even against stronger and stronger opponents despite losing limbs and almost his life while Goku trains away in that hyperbolic time chamber or sits behind a rock trying to recover. That is Piccolo's ONLY role in all of DBZ.
    Seems more like Lavi to me. Lenalee has never been beaten up while Allen sits around and does nothing, except for the boat thing, and that's essentially Lavi's role in THIS arc - get beaten up while Lenalee becomes frustrated that she can't do anything (and probably waits for a power-up). Same for Allen; he's been the most ineffective person except for calming her, yet has somehow managed not to die even after getting beaten up by three Noah.

    Now Rinali doesn't exactly become the beat up doll for Allen in DGM, but she never aspires to anything more than a second maybe even third class exorcist. Her role has basically been to take care of the smaller trash akuma, which she deviates from, only ONCE in DGM by taking on that underwater lvl 2 or 3 Akuma and defeating it barely. Good job Rinali, you just had your one and last exciting victory.
    Until the Ark, how many other Exorcists (besides Allen) deviated from that pattern? Anyway, you can't "aspire" to be anything more than a simple Exorcist, since the Generals aren't picked by skill but rather by Innocence synchronization rate.

    I will eat my words if her Innocence turns out to be the Heart, but until then, she is basically a low grunt that extreminates insects. She basically makes the plot move on, by being the puppet bait for Allen for Rhode in that time town. Then she is like a portable emotional cushion for Allen in venting about General Cross, then is the target for the incestous fetishes of her older brother Komui. I mean honestly wtf is really so great about Rinali, nothing. Great she saved Allen a few times, maybe he wouldn't be there in the first place if she didn't tag along.
    Again, what other Exorcist - besides the Generals - isn't like that? Even ALLEN didn't do anything besides take on low-level akuma until he decided to save Suman (Krory was unusual, and not a mission). Anyway, if you're going to criticize Lenalee for being nothing but someone who makes the plot move, why not take a look at any of the OTHER EXORCISTS, who do the EXACT SAME THING? >_>;; You're picking out Lenalee because you don't like her, yet you're arguing that she's even less important than the other Exorcist characters, when she isn't. For example, what has Kanda done to move the plot forward? What has Lavi done? What has Krory done? What has Chaoji done? (Actually, that one would be "nothing", which is why everyone hates her.)

    Anyway, I could do w/o Komui's comic relief. He's really not even that much of a comic relief -_____-;;. DGM is more seriuos than Bleach or Naruto, but compared to a really serious/depressing manga like Deep Love Ayu, that makes DGM look like Dokuro Chan. He is more than creepy, he is def DEF a incestous sis con. Who else would make all those crazy robots with alterior motives. I mean look at his colleagues, Striker and that other little kid's dad who is a researcher as well. They're as normal as can be, how the hell did Komui turn out like that, not to mention he DOES have family in that Exorcist headquarters.
    He makes crazy robots because he's... crazy? And he did want to defend Lenalee from Komrin II, after all. Honestly, I'd say that he's just really eccentric; I know people like that, and they're not creepy in that way at all. They're just weird. (Sister complex, perhaps, though. He can be a bit weird on that.) I'd like to see him become a more serious character, though. He's got potential for it, and he's in such a position where it would be appropriate and good for the plot.

    AS FOR CROWLEY, wow, where do I begin. He's been isolated all his life and is pretty ignorant, that much I agree with you and is granted. But I can't see how you're confusing him being isolated his whole life with being a complete dumb ass. I mean come on, common sense here, I know he's lived in a castle alone but hey, he's been out of the castle for quite a long time now, apparently he's slow as well as ignorant. He lived with an Akuma for like years and he's supposed to feed off of them, seriously, wtf, anyone can tell theres something wrong.
    ...The only time I've ever really seen Krory act stupid was when he was too naive to know that the guys on the train were cheating him, and that was definitely due to isolation. Can you give me an example of him genuinely being a moron besides that?
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    so early in the manga? Just because DGM's storyline stretches over a series of arcs and has gone this far doesn't mean it's still "early", if indications are correct, things are coming to a close and if not, it's a little beyond midway into the series. Anyway, my point basically is, she's more "evolved" and developed than she was at the start of the manga, and therefore it goes from "semi strong" to "weak and worthless." the current trend is exponentially downhill and I don't really see any real compelling reason as to why that won't change.

    Mmm yeah Rinali's waiting for her powerup. I really don't see how that's going to come seenig as how she ranted and wailed for like several chapters inside her little glass box while Allen got the shit kicked out of him and now Cross comes and saves everyone, really don't think they're going to need Rinali as if they ever did during this arc.

    And yes you're right, I don't like Rinali so I targeted more of my verbal negativity towards her, but if you didn't notice, I wanted to pick way more than 1 of the above which would probably have encompassed most of those exorcists that you named right there. Also Rinali bears a pretty harsh burden being the only "main"ish female character in the whole series, besides Miranda who's innocence really isn't worth much and doesn't do much, rather than portraying his male characters as weak, the author naturally heaps it down on Rinali, thus I feel she deserves to take the shaft because apparently the mangaka and the story has set her up for that role.

    And precisely, that one incident on the train highlights Krory's stupidity. How many more instances do you need to prove that he's slow and dumb? It really only takes one. But if you look at it another way, when has Krory ever shown brilliance or showcased his intelligence in the spotlight? mm.. can't think of any. Besides he lived with an Akuma for who knows how many years. Furthermore he's a parasite type Exorcist that literally thrives on killing/drinking Akuma blood, his own very instincts push him to kill her not to mention he's tasted her blood several times. How much more ignorant do you need to be to ignore your only innate primordal instincts? Even cavemen and monkeys know when to listen to when they're hungry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dredan View Post
    so early in the manga? Just because DGM's storyline stretches over a series of arcs and has gone this far doesn't mean it's still "early", if indications are correct, things are coming to a close and if not, it's a little beyond midway into the series. Anyway, my point basically is, she's more "evolved" and developed than she was at the start of the manga, and therefore it goes from "semi strong" to "weak and worthless." the current trend is exponentially downhill and I don't really see any real compelling reason as to why that won't change.
    Considering that D.Gray-Man shows no signs of ending even remotely soon, I'd say it's early. It's only 13 volumes, after all. And for character development, even midway through the series is too early to see the big changes that will end up happening, if at all. Yes, Lenalee has changed, but she's going through a negative phase that is clearly just that. It's like the way nerves in the body work - they have to be polarized at different extremes before balancing, and from one extreme comes another.

    Mmm yeah Rinali's waiting for her powerup. I really don't see how that's going to come seenig as how she ranted and wailed for like several chapters inside her little glass box while Allen got the shit kicked out of him and now Cross comes and saves everyone, really don't think they're going to need Rinali as if they ever did during this arc.
    Well, unless something happens to Cross, or Lenalee's power-up ends up saving everyone currently dead (which I doubt Cross can do). Who knows? I can't see how it won't come.

    And yes you're right, I don't like Rinali so I targeted more of my verbal negativity towards her, but if you didn't notice, I wanted to pick way more than 1 of the above which would probably have encompassed most of those exorcists that you named right there. Also Rinali bears a pretty harsh burden being the only "main"ish female character in the whole series, besides Miranda who's innocence really isn't worth much and doesn't do much, rather than portraying his male characters as weak, the author naturally heaps it down on Rinali, thus I feel she deserves to take the shaft because apparently the mangaka and the story has set her up for that role.
    Except Hoshino HAS somewhat portrayed her male characters as weak - none of them are strong, in any case, and Lenalee being an offensive-type Exorcist just shows that she doesn't intend to portray one gender as more powerful (Hoshino has implied, apparently, that Miranda is similar to herself, which might explain her role). And yes, Lenalee is currently weak just as Allen was earlier, and yes, Lenalee has emotional problems, just like Lavi does. I don't think she's meant to be weaker than anyone else - but I guess we'll have to wait until Hoshino's return to find out.

    And precisely, that one incident on the train highlights Krory's stupidity. How many more instances do you need to prove that he's slow and dumb? It really only takes one. But if you look at it another way, when has Krory ever shown brilliance or showcased his intelligence in the spotlight? mm.. can't think of any. Besides he lived with an Akuma for who knows how many years. Furthermore he's a parasite type Exorcist that literally thrives on killing/drinking Akuma blood, his own very instincts push him to kill her not to mention he's tasted her blood several times. How much more ignorant do you need to be to ignore your only innate primordal instincts? Even cavemen and monkeys know when to listen to when they're hungry.
    The incident on the train doesn't show that he's stupid at all, just naive and ignorant of many other humans. And sure, he hasn't shown any signs of incredible intelligence, but that doesn't mean he's at Kanda's or Tiki's level, either. As for the Eliade thing, he loves her, and humans have been shown to be pretty stupid when it comes to love (which doesn't mea that Krory is especially dumb, just human). He ignores his Exorcist instincts because his human instincts are going against killing her. He's never killed her, after all. There's a difference between eating, and killing as a result of eating.
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    13 volumes is QUITE a long time at least imo, and as I had said, if not near close to ending, at least more than halfway. Half of the Noah's are dead, one general dead as well, Allen ascending to the open General spot w/ his synchro rate, pretty sure it's at least more than half way. I don't really buy the whole balancing theory, this isn't a scale or a pendulum, it's just a progression of how the character develops as more and more hardships come their way, their personality matures and changes as a result of that, period. It's not like Rinali's present self + Rinali's past self = Rinali past + present/2. It's .. just her present self, that's as real as it gets.

    So Rinali's offensive style Dark boots is going to now ressurect everyone? mm.. I really don't see that happening either. Even w/ 4 consecutive exponentially increasing upgrades, I don't see how her powerup even comes close to being something that can ressurct dead ppl.

    Those male exorcists may have seemed weak in some aspect, whether mentally and physically but the reality was not so. Yes you're right, Lavi did/does have mental problems and a very troubled past dealing w/ all his other personalities, but at least he pulls through in the end, willing to hold on to his individuality and sacrafice himself for his friends. Yes I would imagine Rinali attempting (probably failing), but at least trying to do the same thing as well.

    As for Krory, yes he hadn't killed Eliade at the time, but I thought all Akuma blood tasted like motor oil or poison or whatever translation you read the manga from. Pretty sure if you tasted quite a few Akuma's then bit and drank some blood from Eliade it would more or less taste the same and give the same effect, you put 2 and 2 together... it's not like it's a damn jigsaw puzzle or something. And as for the train incident, either he likes being a nudist or he just likes giving away his clothes? I mean ok he doesn't understand gambling, after losing his top or bottom half first or wahtever other articles of clothing probably should clue ANYONE in that maybe this isn't such a good idea.. but nope, not until Krory went full monty did the game end, honestly, this falls way way way beyond the boundaries of casual "ignorance"

 

 
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