View Poll Results: Whom you want to DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ??

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  • Allen 'Filthy hands' Walker - the supposed-to-be a hero with girly face

    9 14.06%
  • Aleister "Emo-Vamp" Crowley - Go cry to your mommy ! Oh, I forgot - you don't have one !!

    12 18.75%
  • Kanda 'Idiot' Yuu - Did you just said something which could developed your character ?

    16 25.00%
  • Rinali "Crybaby" Lee - Because crying helps a lot

    21 32.81%
  • Bookman the "Old fart" - Did just the air got toxicated ?

    14 21.88%
  • Cross "I am the Best" - No one wants you here !!

    8 12.50%
  • Lavi 'Supposed to be useful teammate' - Do something beside standing and being amazed!

    11 17.19%
  • The China branch and main branch nerds - Freaking weirdo's (just choose one from them)

    14 21.88%
  • Komui 'Incest' Lee - The only person he will marry is his own sister

    12 18.75%
  • Chaoji - Who are you anyway ?

    34 53.13%
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    Kolox is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    yeah, as much as I hate Allen - I don't believe he would bring back Rinali as Akuma Nor Komui would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stained_black
    because i think she's the character that adds drama to the series, and did kanda get the same amount of screen time as Linali?
    By saying drama you mean romance? The yes, you are rigth, but I do not see romance as something that important here.

    Kanda had a lot of time in the begining. Then he kinda died.

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    Okay, about the romance thing, i don't know how to answer that.

    Yes Kanda did recieve a lot of time in the beginning, but as the series progressed he just kind of faded away. Not unlike Linalee, who we saw at the beginning and had major screen time.

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    Like major crying

    crying scene #69 - Rinali cries because Allen got lost - overreacting a little
    crying scene #129 - Rinali cries in her own dream - how lame is that ?
    crying scene #185 - Rinali cries because Allen died - everyone tries to forget but she makes situation worse
    crying scene #231 - Rinali cries because she notices she is useless (about time she noticed)

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    @ stained_black: Thats true, but: what kind of development have she recieved? Having a lot of screen time is not enough to be called protagonist. At the same time Lavi was appearing not less then her - and he at least got some development. What about Linalee?

    @ Kolox: after all that crying she now can cry more! Thats development!

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    Okay, I lose. It seems like that I've been digging my own grave. lol

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    But we still like you (but not in gay way, I think you understand )

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    ^Yes, i still like you guys, like as in platonicaly

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    I meant that if anyone would bring Lenalee back as an akuma, it'd be Allen. Not that she would be, or even that she'll die. He'd be able to see her again, for a little bit, after all... and then he gets to die. I don't think Komui would, because he's a lot colder than Allen when it comes to people's deaths (see how he reacted to the deaths of Exorcists and Finders previously).

    Lenalee has ALWAYS been a protagonist. That's why we see so much more of her than anyone else. She's also seen that way by fans, which increases her importance (you know, that little popular group of people under 20... hence why everyone knows Kanda despite the fact that he's been even less important and in the plot than MIRANDA). As for Kanda, he was around in the beginning and then disappeared for a number of books; ever since we find out that she's an Exorcist, she's been in every volume. Anyway, you can't deny that the sailing-to-Japan arc thing was more about her than anyone else. She also has very little mystery about her past; it was revealed around the same time as Allen's. In other words, we know just as much about her as we do about Allen, and she's really the only person we can say that for.

    And for all you talking about how much Lenalee cries... she definitely isn't the only one. And with what she's gone through, she deserves it.

    Oh, and development? Well, she's probably getting a cool power-up. She's made a new friend and realized his importance to her. She's also learned that being weak sucks and that she's meant to spend her life fighting. When you consider that Allen's main development (deciding to live for the akuma) came at the same time as his power-up, I'd say she's being pretty consistent with that pattern. Anyway, lack of development doesn't make someone a minor character. When you compare screen time, role in the story, and changes of character between Lenalee and anyone else, the pattern is closest to Allen. He is undeniably the protagonist of the story. And that's just how Hoshino-sensei is writing the story.

    (Incidentally, the fact that the powerless arc is nearly repeated exactly for Lenalee should have been an indication, too.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    But we still like you (but not in gay way, I think you understand )
    Why did you wright this? Did any of my posts leave the impression taht i hate someone here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Lenalee has ALWAYS been a protagonist. That's why we see so much more of her than anyone else.
    While it is essential to have a lot of screen time to be protagonist, fulfilling this requirement alone can’t make one into protagonist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    She's also seen that way by fans, which increases her importance.
    Popularity among fans doesn’t make one protagonist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    As for Kanda, he was around in the beginning and then disappeared for a number of books; ever since we find out that she's an Exorcist, she's been in every volume.
    That’s true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Anyway, you can't deny that the sailing-to-Japan arc thing was more about her than anyone else.
    It was not only her - Allen got his power up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    She also has very little mystery about her past; it was revealed around the same time as Allen's. In other words, we know just as much about her as we do about Allen, and she's really the only person we can say that for.
    Yeah, we know her past – and? This is actually even worser for her – while Allen’s past leaves mysteries that can move plot (who is Mana?), hers’ is clear with nothing interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    And for all you talking about how much Lenalee cries... she definitely isn't the only one. And with what she's gone through, she deserves it.
    Yeah, she deserves it. But her crying shows her zero contribution to plot development. If actions of protagonist doesn’t make plot move then what kind of protagonist is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Oh, and development? Well, she's probably getting a cool power-up.
    Probably is the key word there.

    She probably will, I agree. Just as Lavi (in case he is alive).

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    She's made a new friend and realized his importance to her.
    True. But that is not new – she already had friends before, nothing wrong with having one more. It would be superb development for Kanda who is individualist. Linalee is another case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    She's also learned that being weak sucks and that she's meant to spend her life fighting.
    Yes, this is development, but: she learns this from Allen, whose main life goal is to save Akuma – to fight them. Fact that other characters (Lavi, Linalee) learn that one from him and accept it as their life goal indicates that he is protagonist since he is influencing others, not that they are so great. It would be different if she developed this philosophy by herself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    When you consider that Allen's main development (deciding to live for the akuma) came at the same time as his power-up, I'd say she's being pretty consistent with that pattern.
    We do not know yet, though it may be the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    Anyway, lack of development doesn't make someone a minor character.
    Completely stable characters are not interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    When you compare screen time, role in the story, and changes of character between Lenalee and anyone else, the pattern is closest to Allen. He is undeniably the protagonist of the story. And that's just how Hoshino-sensei is writing the story.
    This is good that you mentioned role in the story. What is Linalees' – what is she doing? She defeated a couple of Akuma and fell in love with main character – that’s all. Is she influencing someone – like Allen? Is her philosophy the one to be the philosophy of author – like Allens? Is the main protagonist her main lifetime enemy - like Earl for Allen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi
    (Incidentally, the fact that the powerless arc is nearly repeated exactly for Lenalee should have been an indication, too.)
    I do not see how this arc is written only for Linalee – everyone exept her got power up, even Chaoji.

 

 
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