View Poll Results: Who is the strongest exorcist ? (I didn't want to put filthy handed one here)

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  • Rinali Lee

    6 9.38%
  • Allen Walker

    36 56.25%
  • Aleister Crowley

    3 4.69%
  • Yuu Kanda

    5 7.81%
  • Lavi

    10 15.63%
  • Panda-jiji Bookman

    2 3.13%
  • Miranda Lotto

    2 3.13%
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    It's not like a lawyer goes and take the accused to the prison, right ? Its the same thing - and for justified court, it would be better if he hadn't met Allen.

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    But Malcolm really appears to be more likely the part of the lawyer.

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    Malcolm would be like a lawyer going against the criminal, yeah. He speaks for the majority (the Order) and does what he is told to do. It really isn't his fault - either he believes he's right and doing what God wants him to do, or he believes he is wrong but can't do anything about it to protect himself.
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    It's not like he said he was guilty - he just wants to learn what the hell happened here - and we all are quite interested in that too, right ? Because come on, we have some newbie exorcist who can control enemy weapon without much effort. Moreover, he is cursed. Moreover, he is immortal and powerful.

    Also Cross isn't someone really trustworthy either, hiding from Black Order all this time not letting anyone learn what is he planning. Actually I would trial Cross for heresy also, but it's probably impossible since he is a general and with so little evidence you can't really touch him. I think Malcolm aim is to get to Cross through Allen - in Malcolm eyes, Allen is just something Cross and 14th are using for their own gain.

    Just because 14th betrayed Earl doesn't mean he joined Order - 3rd force in this war perhaps ?

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    But Malcolm still sentenced him. I understand though that he wants to watch and investigate Allen and his surroundings an past and such.

    And...your suggestion actually makes sense. That about getting to Cross by aiming Allen first.

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    He acted very suspicious of Allen, and wanted him tried for heresy - like that seems impartial?! It means he already has his mind made up about Allen, and that he thinks that the likelihood of Allen being innocent is much lower than Allen being guilty. And you're right; he has very good reasons for being that way.

    Cross may have hidden from the Order, but now it looks not as if the Order had no idea of what he was doing, but rather just running away from his mission. It isn't as if he ran away for no reason, at a random time, or was supposed to stay; he was sent on a mission and he left. The lack of communication made everyone suspicious that he abandoned it, which is hardly "being mysterious". Anyway, there's no reason to suspect Cross of heresy since he WAS completing his mission, and - except for Allen, who hasn't been convicted of anything yet - he hasn't been known to associate with the enemy (or so we know). He probably will be suspected if Allen is successfully convicted or if Allen runs away, but as for now...

    Maybe the "betrayal" was a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing. I don't think any Noah would have associated with any Order member unless it was a desperate situation... so maybe Cross did some manipulating, or they just both hated the Earl, or...? At any rate, though, it seems kind of odd that the betrayal would involve handing powers over to a little (defenceless) kid (I assume Cross agreed to take care of Allen in the event of the traitor's death? That'd make sense, anyway), so that might have had other motives.
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    I think he wanted to trial Allen since Cross didn't told him anything - thought he would make Cross talk, Cross resisted so it's better to get the information from Allen himself - you need to remember that from Malcom point of view Allen is working with Cross and most likely knows everything what Cross planed (we know better that he doesn't).

    That's pretty much means he deserted. Also he shown absolutely no results of his mission beside Allen and partially Crowley, but that was somehow half-assed (he was supposed to search for new exorcist). As a soldier, he MUST inform about his present situation, even if he is general..no, especially since he is general.

    My point was that "enemy of your enemy doesn't make it your friend". Thus Malcolm might suspect third force - joined force of Cross and 14th.

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    Getting information on Cross from Allen is probably a bonus, but not the only reason LeVerrier wants to try Allen. It's pretty obvious (from Timcanpy, if nothing else) that Allen was the one who controlled the Ark, which is a Big Problem in terms of his loyalty - as others have pointed out, it belonged to the Noah. The most important thing is making sure that he won't betray them; the second-most important thing is finding out about Cross. If Allen is proven to be innocent, Cross can be assumed to be likewise, but so far, there hasn't been any reason to believe that Cross would ALSO be associated with the Noah.

    Anyway, Cross, as a general, would have equal status to Komui. If LeVerrier, as whatever he is, can speak for the Vatican to the point that Komui can't argue against him, he should have the status to do the same with Cross.

    Deserting is far less dangerous than actually aiding the enemy, which was Suman's crime. If Cross deserted, well, that's bad, but it'd be a heck of a lot worse if Cross went over to help the Noah. His mission was also to destroy the akuma plant, which he DID; gathering Exorcists wasn't his main goal at the time. Wouldn't it be awfully hard to complete such a mission if you had a bunch of students hanging around you the entire time? It also doesn't appear as if Cross had multiple Innocences (besides Krory's, although that could have been something he picked up on his travels rather than taking it with him from the Order) in his possession, which makes it likely that he had no interest in new Exorcists.

    The enemy of my enemy thing was in reference to Cross and the 14th, not Malcolm - I mean, that could have been a betrayal thing or whatever. It's unreasonable to assume there is a third force now (the traitor is dead and Cross is probably just a renegade from the Order), but that might change if Allen runs away from the Order and doesn't go to the Noah.
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    In terms of that, Allen is something that Cross might have planned to use - of course getting to kingpin is by getting his gangsta first And there is actually - Malcolm made it clear - Cross planned all this, so he is accomplice.

    I believe General is more important than Komui in those terms - as a chief he needs to provide every supply General will request.

    Deserting is a crime that normally was punished with death - it's pretty much on the same level as associating with enemy. But they can't prove it too Cross, they know it.

    I was referring for Malcolm view of 14th. And third force would be fun - no one is right !!

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    Cross could certainly have planned this, but without Allen, he'd have no control over the situation. If they get rid of Allen - who may be a traitor - then Cross won't be able to do whatever his secret plans are, since his tool will be gone. It also doesn't mean that Cross himself is a traitor; he could be using Allen (on the side of the Noah?) to support the Order, although it doesn't change the fact that Allen would be a bad guy. After all, Allen DID use the Ark to save the Exorcists and destroy the akuma plant. Cross's ultimate goals are obviously not in opposition to the Order's.

    Komui and the Generals are equals, as shown by the ranking chart thingy in a volume 5 talk room.

    Cross was shown to be completing his mission and he came back of his own will, so he didn't actually desert in the first place.
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