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    Mana was noone - get a job you bum !!..oops, sorry, you can't - your already dead.

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    Awww, Dante, that would be so cheesy... It isn't like Allen actively hated akuma or anything. Allen probably has empathy because he's a nice guy who was raised well, not because he can see the akuma's suffering (well, not for Noah, anyway). I think it'll probably be something that Allen just turned to his advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Awww, Dante, that would be so cheesy... It isn't like Allen actively hated akuma or anything. Allen probably has empathy because he's a nice guy who was raised well, not because he can see the akuma's suffering (well, not for Noah, anyway). I think it'll probably be something that Allen just turned to his advantage.
    It's not as if I want it to happen that way, but that's how I think things will be explained. And it's not Akuma's suffering, but the soul's, the one that's trapped within the Akuma. If I remember correctly, the souls that were used for Akumas were souls of sorrowful people, and the like. Allen is supposed to be sympathetic/empathetic to this kind of people because he is supposed to know what it means to suffer.... I do not know, I expect the lenses to have a better meaning than that one, but I think that we'll get the shönen-like type of explanation.

    Oh! By the way, digi, I read that your birthday was not long ago, is that correct? If that's how it is, then happy belated birthday :P (I would have sent a PM, but since I'm doing this late, I do not think it'd be appropriate).


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    Akuma, souls, pretty much the same thing~ The reason they suffer is because they feel they're not loved, I think, so Allen is supposed to be nice and caring and that's why he wants to kill them (except he looked kind of creepy in that Asia branch fight). Even though you'll probably be right, I'm still hoping Hoshino-sensei will continue with the darker and unhappier theme of DGM and have some reason that would actually be realistic.

    And thanks. ^_^ Aww, it was Lavi's birthday a few days ago. xD Haha. I notice these stupid things.
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    Actually, I think you'll find this was answered in Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne.
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    And that has relevance to D.Gray-Man... how?

    (You know, now that Cross has showed up, we might learn something.)
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    Here is my thought about Mana's "gift." He intended it as a curse. Lavi's own satement on how he originally thought it was cool that Allen could see things that way, and then once he did (through the second evolutuion of the eye) he basicly said that he wouldn't wish it on his enemies. The eye allowed Allen to see the exact suffering of the person he looks at. The stronger the suffering, the clearer it shows.

    This means that the Akuma who feed off the sacrificed soul suffer the most, and show the clearest. It would break most of the people who would be able to see it, but yet Allen hasn't broke yet. In addition the second form is an additional punisment ment to show his allies as well as himself this suffering. This is ment to freak out his allies, and by doing that attack another part of him.

    As far as Mana is conserned, I realy don't know to much. I beleive that he did intend for Allen to become an Exorsist, of one form or another, to bridge the gap between Akuma and Humans. In general, he was the mentor to Allen, simular to Obi-Wan at first, then with the twisting from becoming an Akuma, more to Vader-ish attiude.

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    That's what I thought, too. Being able to see that kind of thing would normally not be something anyone would want; Allen is a strong and optimistic person who sees the good in that, but he's also lived with it for three years. Mana was dying (er, again) when he cursed Allen, after all. He was angry at Allen for turning him into an akuma and making him kill someone he cared for - and then he gets attacked by that same person! It seems like a kind of punishment - "this is what you've done, this is your consequence, live with it" (which is kind of his role as a father, right). And again, if Mana was a Noah, too, there's also betrayal at Allen (an Exorcist) being his natural enemy.

    I don't think Mana knew about Allen's Innocence or anything like that, since I don't think it was ever active before. I guess he could have intentionally made that curse knowing that Allen would be one, though - every time he fights akuma, he suffers, too?

    Although I find it really suspicious if that's true, since most ordinary people don't know about akuma, let alone Innocence. I guess an akuma would know what they are, but...
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    Well, Digi, I said that with the disscussion about Mana being the forsaken Noah.

    On the other hand is would also make some sence that once Mana picked up Allen he could of figured that something was up with his hand. I know that I can pick up a lot of information just by either asking, or listening to other's talk. Being a wanderer like he was, I beleive that there was a good chance Mana picked up some information about the Order even if he didn't know Cross.

    He could of been looking for Cross (and trying to arange a meeting with the Order) when he died. When Cross came to town to find that Mana was dead, he went to the grave and found Allen. Simple, all a coincidance, and that would make Mana nothing more then Allen's foster-father whom he adored. No matter what though I think Mana tried to teach Allen to treat everyone equally, because you never know what/who someone could be in the future, or what they were in the past.

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    That's true; I guess Mana could have heard about the Order somehow... It just seems to me that it's too coincidental to be just that. If he was looking for Cross, I'd bet that he met Cross before somehow and was looking for him again, since Cross wasn't in contact with the Order (everyone thought he was dead or something until Allen arrived). We do know that Cross probably had some association with the traitor Noah, from the conclusions that the other Noah have drawn, after all...

    ...Well, I guess it could be that way, but it doesn't really seem likely. Otherwise, why would even Mana's appearance be secret until now?
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