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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    We have yet to see someone with an equipment type who has become less human because of their Innocence, unless Hevlaska is that kind of person.
    Yeah.

    Who knows what that is. I suspect that this is a different example - that was another manifestation of Crowley's Innocence, but he was still controlling it. Allen and Rinari had NO control over their Innocence when it saved them numerous times. Presumably, if Crowley didn't want to fight, he didn't have to. The others didn't have that choice.
    We do not know what happedned while C-chan was inside his coffin. Maybe he made his innocence leave his body, maybe it did it itself. We only know that after that he had controll over innocence.

    He had to. He wanted to protect his friends after all.

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    That's still different from what happened with Allen and Rinari. They had no control over the actions of their Innocence, at least until it stopped acting (such as Allen killing Mana, Allen attacking Eliade, Rinari's twice-appearing crystal - one time in which she didn't want it at all - and Allen's Innocence shard falling into his heart). Crowley had been conscious before, too.

    Well, he did HAVE to, but my point was that if the same thing happened and he didn't...
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    True. Two pieced heart....

    Wait, what does it have to do with topic "Exorcists are not human?"

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    ...Topic deviation is nothing new. ^^;;

    It was because there's a possibility that the Accomodator(s) with the Heart is one who faces the greatest threat to his/her humanity. Most of the Exorcists we've seen are human, but various comments and evidence show that these weird Innocence that could be the Heart may be changing their users.

    I think I was originally confused about what Bak was saying about Innocence. After all, he starts off with saying that the parasitic types are weapons, but then tells Allen that he's definitely human... bit of a contradiction there.
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    Heart is not the only reason to change the nature of user, most likely (Hevlaska all the way), right? And yeah, there is kind of contradiction. All this innocence nature explanations are kinda not complete enough, to my mind.

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    We are assuming that Hevlaska was once an ordinary human, though. That's such a large change that it seems really unusual for Innocence to do that, especially since we've never seen anyone else like her.

    Yes, more explanations are required. ^^;;
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    And to that Havlaska is like several hudreds years old.

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    ...Was that actually mentioned in the manga? I get the feeling that it WAS. Well, if so, she definitely can't be human. Even dead humans still aren't considered human, and we know what dead humans are. So...
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    Well, if so, she definitely can't be human.
    How so? We don't know how its' innocence works, it may affect its' age easily. Nobody said that Miranda's innocence is the only one that works with time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    How so? We don't know how its' innocence works, it may affect its' age easily. Nobody said that Miranda's innocence is the only one that works with time.
    Humans don't live hundreds of years. If Hevlaska's Innocence did turn her into that, then she's still not human and it proves your point that Innocence can do such things.
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