Thread: Chapter 117 Discussion

I would shorten the discussion

Originally Posted by Digi-hime

Yeah, his HAIR. It would make sense if he was a Noah, since they're pretty gray, although the Exorcists are, too; they fight for "good" yet aren't always so good themselves.

I believe his hair are white, not grayish (true, when you get older you normally get grey hairs or "silver" hair, but this guy isn't normal and he has completely white head).

And who from exorcist, beside some self centred exorcist like Kanda or that General we met at HQ are evil ? Crowley is evil ? No. Rabi is evil ? Plenty no. Rinali is evil ? Emotional broken, but it's not the same as evil. Miranda is evil ? YES, SHE IS MASTERMIND BEHIND WORLD DESTRUCTION !! ...no. Bookman is evil ? No, he tries to be neutral as far as it is possible...and Komui is mad, but that isn't the same as being evil.
And don't tell me Allen is evil when he proves that he is not - lately he was just seriously pissed off (getting killed and having other in danger).

...Yeah, his hair is white, so obviously the title doesn't refer to the colour of his HAIR. (His eyes are gray, though. o_o) (My comment was like... yeah, his HAIR is white, but his personality, etc. isn't.)

Crowley is kind of evil... emo, somewhat inhuman, and his treatment of Jasdevi was rather, um, odd. Rabi probably has some dark secrets, Rinari is weak... but they're the NICE ones. What's going on with the Order members that we don't know about? Komui is the Chief Monitor; whatever happened in the Order that's bad has been with his permission/supervision. That includes human experiments.


As for the Exorcists being NOT evil, well... they haven't exactly proven themselves to be that good, either. No one cares about property destruction. Rinari is awfully self-centered. Rabi is a womanizer (see talk rooms) and Miranda must obviously suck at what she does if she gets fired that often (plus - she's EMO!). Just because they're not evil doesn't mean they're automatically good. They're the nicest part of the Order, which just means that they're ordinary flawed human beings as opposed to condoning torture of others to achieve your goals.

Yes, Allen is rather angry, but that's no excuse for violence or death threats. =P

I start to think that the manga title "D.Gray-man" was kinda random....

Crowley isn't evil - he just likes suck Akuma's blood - and because he saves those souls in the process, then there is nothing that holds him up from doing it. Moreover, he sacrifaced himself for the sake of his friends (he wasn't sure he could defeat Jasdebi, he just knew he had more chance in doing that than others).

Rabi has dark secrets, but overall he is a good person. Besides, being a womanizer isn't evil as long as he doesn't go around making children's and overpopulating the worl - reference to "DNA2"

Komui wasn't a supervisor when those experiments happened - actually, Komui started to make experiments by himself (see his first meeting with Allen and a very-big-scary-distrustful-drill)

You know - trying to save the world and humans for the cost of their lives is what I would consider to be "good" - although they should think about picking the battlefields (even in DBZ the battlefield was the priority).

Emo doesn't mean evil, but oversensitive. I can't bear oversensitive people, it's kinda hard to communicate with them (and it seems Rabi, who looks like emo, is the least emo from all the group).

I think being pissed off by the fact that you was killed a while ago and your friends are going to be dead to is a good reason to start actually stop being Mr.I-AM-NICE-TO-MY-ENEMY and start actually do something which brings results.

The title ISN'T random... not mostly, anyway. DGM's original titles were the random ones (Dolls? Zone? Black Noah?...wait...). Apparently it does have a lot to do with everyone.

Crowley isn't evil, he's just very abnormal. Never mind that he really did want to kill Jasdevi even though it's younger than him and also human.

Rabi might end up doing that... Allen called him an enemy of women, after all. ^^;;

How do we know Komui wasn't Chief Monitor then? We just know Rinari saw some things. We also don't know that they stopped when Komui took that position. Komui also was the one who insisted that the families of dead Order members aren't allowed to see their families (for good reason, but...).

Maybe the Exorcists will end up destroying the world because the Noah are the good ones. We don't know. And I'm sure they could try and pick a better place to battle, but they don't.

Emo = EVIL! =D Rabi has the emo SIDE, not that he is emo himself.

Well, if Allen starts wanting to kill the Noah, he isn't very nice either. :3 It's just a fact. After all, the Noah have been attacked by Exorcists, too (and made fun of - like Jasdevi). They're actual enemies; it's not like one side is full of nice happy people who were suddenly and randomly attacked by evil monsters.

Time will tell if there was any grayness in exorcist and it wasn't just referring to Noah's skin.

Every exorcist is abnormal in some way. Also, wanting to kill Jasdebi wasn't so unreasonable - it's not like he had any other option if he wanted to survive and safe his friends (talking with him and making friends with him was never an option here).

Just because Allen is a brat and things you should only flirt with one woman doesn't make Rabi enemy of woman (...you know, I'm just taking Rabi's case a little personal since I too find pleasure in flirting with females and I don't see anything bad in it ).

He entered the order for the sake of Rinali, so they wouldn't be separated - when he joined at the beginning I highly doubt he became supervisor from the start - he climbed the ladder of ranks gradually and released Rinali. Komui's appearance in order changed it dramatically. Secondly, about the bodies of dead finders - those guys should known from beginning that it would end up like this, it's really surprising that those guys were surprised with what Komui said (I found it quite obvious).

But then they won't be 'evil' but 'fooled' - since they are trying to save the world. They intentions were never evil, it's just Noahs which makes this thing too complicated and can't tell Order what are their motives.

I don't know much emo people because they tend to lock themselves in their rooms But most of them are... stupid (or maybe I am the insensitive one, who knows). Rabi seems to have the weakest emo side.

That's what I said - Allen stopped being hypocrite and at last realised that this is war and being nice doesn't profit much - he can be all-nice to his friends, but he shouldn't be so concerned about his enemies. I also think it was Earl who first attacked and not humans, so humans are the victims here and Noah are aggressors.

Not just that, so we'll have to see.

Every Exorcist is a flawed human, then. ^_^ Some (Kanda/Cross/Sokaro) are just more flawed than the average human being. And still, Crowley didn't look very regretful about it - even Allen said it was sad that people had to die and TIKI KILLED HIM.

Let's analyze why Allen called him an enemy of women again. And that was BEFORE Rabi said he had an interest in Rinari, too.

Komui was head of the science section at one point, which means that logically he would have to do things related to Exorcists. If he wasn't working his way up through the Order in those three years, what WAS he doing? Besides that, we have no reason to think that this isn't going on now, which would mean Komui is aware of it (couldn't he just stay in a nearby village or something if he didn't like what the Order was doing - or use his influence to stop it?).

Maybe the Noah think the Exorcists are evil and that's why they won't tell their motives - it's not the Exorcists have gone out and convinced the Noah that reviving dead people as zombies is wrong and against God's will.

XD Rabi's emo side is controlling him now, though. Allen doesn't really have an emo side, though, and Rinari isn't emo (she's what emos copy in the first place). Neither is Komui, or Bak, for that matter... or Fou, or that guy who's name I forgot...

We don't know who attacked first because it happened thousands of years ago. =P

Saying that they are flawed is tad too much I think :/ Crowley accepted the fact that he doesn't fit anywhere else beside black order.

May comment stay : Allen is a brat. That was a ridiculous question - at least Rabi was honest, which most of guys is unable to do.

1. Komui wasn't a chief, he was just supposed to get results - you need to understand that everything what he would like to change need to meet with agreement from previous Supervisor.
2. Komui didn't liked/like how Order sometimes operates - but he came all this way for Rinali's sake (also, I think Komui is doing the experiments now - in the matter more please able for him - and most of things were already researched).

I'm pretty sure that's what Exorcist is saying all the time - that creating zombies is bad and it's against god will - Earl just laughed them.

Allen and Rinali are complete emo's - Rinali is still victor here. Komui isn't emo. Rabi isn't emo - he just have a looks and doubts, but he was fighting with them and he is still fighting. Bak is gay.

Who cares about what happened thousand years ago - what is important is what is happening now - Earl came and started to kill humans. It's not like present humans should be held responsible for what happened 1000 years ago.

Those are some pretty major character flaws to have, though.

Allen isn't a brat! I think he'd probably answer that question differently, though. >_> Not because he's a brat, but because he thinks differently AND HAS MORALS. But yeah, at least Rabi's honest. About a bad character trait.

Komui IS Chief Monitor. He controls everyone working in the Order except the creepy hidden guys and the Generals, actually. I'm sure that if he wanted to change the way things went, he could (and he even changed the bath arrangement).

...Out of curiosity, did an Exorcist ever tell a NOAH that what they're doing is wrong?

How are Allen and Rinari emo? Rinari isn't an emo because emos think what she did is cool (I'm sure Rinari didn't join a group of body-cutters -___-; and Allen doesn't have an emo personality (the actor in some movie version of Hamlet stealing his outfit means NOTHING... plus everyone wears black in D.Gray-Man =P). Rabi's alternate personality is emo.

Bak likes LOLICON. He isn't gay. >_<

It's possible that the Exorcist-people initiated the battle thousands of years ago; they've obviously been organized for a VERY long time, and we don't know that akuma haven't existed for a while, either. The Noah are recent, but the reason for fighting could be different than what we think.

Not much different flaws than any ordinary human has.

I don't think Rabi answer was saying about his bad personality - he just stated truth - he wouldn't try to hook up a girl who isn't attractive to him. Talking about this "I prefer personality" is bullshit - when you see a person you mostly don't see a personality. Rabi stated a truth here and Allen is trying to be a good guy here (especially since he is an expert <notice sarcasm> - like hell he knows anything about love or flirting)

I was talking about the past, not the present. You were saying about Komui when he was head of science section - he didn't have much power that time, he was still an underling which was supposed to do his work.

Allen in his first meeting with Earl. But to Noah ? Well, considering how much fun they have with Akuma and randomly killing, I don't see a point in saying that.

Allen and Rinali are over-sensitive and are idealistic. That's all proof for their emoness I need. And if Rabi alternate personality is emo, then Rabi isn't emo.

Bak is gay.

I don't think they care, the Exorcist I mean. They are fighting for their race survival - that's one obvious thing here.

Normal people don't go around cheating at cards and stripping people, attempting suicide, biting people, slapping everyone, or destroying towns without caring...

Errr... I still don't think Rabi was talking about FLIRTING. Of course Allen isn't experienced in romance, but he still likes a girl who Rabi later says he's interested in - plus he's a gentleman. He has more respect for women than Rabi. >_<

Komui had as much power as Reever does, and more - since he still pretends he's the head. That's still an awful lot of power, though.

The Earl is practically inhuman; if a Noah ever saw things from the perspective of an Exorcist, they might act differently - or not. They only see one side.

Emos aren't that sensitive, actually. Most of them don't care or pretend not to care about anything. Rabi himself isn't emo, but his alternate personality DEFINITELY is - just look at the guy!

Bak can't be gay. He stalks little girls and then hugs and molests other little girls.

Possibly, although maybe that's not what God wants since God DID organize the deaths of most humans thousands of years ago.