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    Default The Betraying Noah (theory)

    Because all of you should know by now that I have no life~ Around Christmas, that is. And I blame all of you for not being on the forum long enough to distract me from writing this ridiculously long theory.

    It's sort of been on my mind these past few days (okay, day... but it's a long day!) - that Noah who betrayed the others... he's the reason that the Noah have been going after Cross - because they believe Cross was given some kind of power from that Noah that is related to the Ark (as it cannot move from Japan ever since that was granted).

    To me, this seems Important. Like... one of those things that comes up later.

    I want to hear your theories~ and your thoughts on mine.

    I posted this in another thread... in scattered form... but I suspect this has something to do with Mana (Allen's foster father, ne~).

    First of all, Mana has the Hat - that top hat that we've only seen on the Earl and Tiki Mick. Normally, not a big deal, but it's really his defining feature. It made me suspect something, mostly jokes about how he's the Earl, etc... and then I re-read the part about the Ark.

    Presumably, the Noah-power exchange happened about three years ago. It was before Jasdevi were born, it says - but that probably means born as a Noah (Boric seems to know about it), and the Noah were appearing at that time. If the recipient of the power is Cross, as believed by Jasdevi, then it can't have happened later because Allen has been with Cross most of that time (and that would be weird.)

    And Mana died three years ago - we don't know how.

    The timeline fits, the image fits... It's easy to say that Mana was raised as an akuma because he couldn't do any more harm - he'd be using Allen's body, not his own; he'd be controlled by the Earl; and maybe the Earl figured that Allen, with his anti-akuma arm, would kill Mana anyway.

    Besides, it seems that Noah have light and dark sides - which just means that he could have disguised himself as a normal guy, even in Allen's memories. He could also have been a genuinely nice guy.

    But what about that picture? Of the Noah himself - with spiky hair that appears later in the series? =P Because, you know, it does look like Allen's clown hair. But it could just be me.

    On that note, why is Allen so high on Tiki Mick's hitlist? It's supposed to kill those connected to the Noah - not the human granted powers. Allen, as a simple student of Cross, only has the exorcist factor going for him and that's hardly special. I mean, it's possible - but if he was connected to Mana, and the Earl would know, it would be just as likely that he'd need to die.

    Now... this is just a random thought, and probably an unlikely one, but what if Cross didn't receive those powers? Wouldn't he have done something instead of just wandering around with Allen for three years, and then going to Japan - and not even really looking for the Ark (as there are akuma everywhere)?

    So maybe the recipient of the betraying Noah's powers didn't even know about it.

    Like... oh, I dunno, Allen. =P

    Close to Mana, received curse, and travelled with the knowledgeable Cross for years. Seems to me like a very probable thing.

    In summary: Mana is the betraying Noah who gave his powers to Allen, not Cross.

    Thoughts~?
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    yeah i thought about it too but about allen been targeted i don't remember quit well but i thing the order is about killing anyone who have contacted cross.
    correct me if i'm wrong

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    D_E pretty much just put my thoughts down first, thats all exactly what I was thinking.

    But im to lazy to type all that.


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    Good and possible (and would really fit the plot). Then: Allen's innocence (or at least a part of it - since he had it from the birth) is Noah's power (originally Mana's)? Then how can innocecnce stand Noah's power near/inside itself? It's strange. Though, since it is a parasytik type innocence, maybe as long as Noah's power doesn't harm innocence's master (Allen in this case) innocence is OK with it?
    And Allen was called sth like "destroyer of time", which in this case means that he has powers to destroy the Ark, i guess.
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    Interesting theory, I just skimmed over most of it because I have to go soon.

    Anybody else think DE should be the D.Gray-Man mod?


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    The order was to kill anyone who contacted the betraying Noah. It does seem like Cross's friends are also there, but so far we've just seen the Generals - and they could be killed for targeting the Heart, not because of Cross. Cross could be on the hit list because he's a general and because he may have had contact with Mana (assuming that's how he found Allen so quickly).

    Allen's Innocence is just Innocence, I think - he had it before Mana found him. It could be his eye - which we know Mana gave to him - or something else entirely that he doesn't know of. Destroyer of Time could also refer to using the Ark... I guess...? It could refer to a final battle/repeat of the flood where having power on the other side changes things and prevents the flood (and maybe Rinari's dreams?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel
    Anybody else think DE should be the D.Gray-Man mod?
    QFT. I think so too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Allen's Innocence is just Innocence, I think - he had it before Mana found him. It could be his eye - which we know Mana gave to him - or something else entirely that he doesn't know of. Destroyer of Time could also refer to using the Ark... I guess...? It could refer to a final battle/repeat of the flood where having power on the other side changes things and prevents the flood (and maybe Rinari's dreams?).
    You think that Mana's curse is his power? Maybe. Though it still is strange how Noah's power is synchronysed with innocence. Destroyer of time most likely really refers to Ark, though we don't know how. Those dreams are, most likely, a pictures of possible future. The question is: the show the picture of future where Allen played his role of Destroyer of time or the future where he didn't.

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    I don't know if Mana's curse is the power - I'm actually inclined to think otherwise, because Mana gave Allen the curse as an akuma - after he died (presumably, killed by the Earl after he granted the ability to be a "performer"). It could still be a part of Noah-ness... but I think that it's something else.

    Maybe if Allen wasn't a destroyer - Rinari had the dream when Allen was half-dead, right? If he died first, he couldn't be a destroyer, so maybe if he doesn't do what he needs to, history will repeat - and he'll destroy time by changing the cycle. (Reminds me of Wheel of Time now - circular time cycle. xD)

    I still think her dreams might connect to the dead - so maybe he'll die and she has to bring him back to save the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    I still think her dreams might connect to the dead - so maybe he'll die and she has to bring him back to save the world?
    Super Linali to the rescue!~ That could be possible. If she does have the heart (I still believe she does) then maybe she will have some kind of powers to... I dunno.. influence other innocence? Control it even. And that could save them, Hmm. Its possible.

    As for your theory, very well thought out XD I like the whole idea of it. I mean if this is true, then it would make sense as to why Cross took Allen in. Afterall he doesn't seem like the kind of nice guy who would take in some random child (even if they did have innocence I would suspect that he would just automatically send him to HQ?) unless, like in Allen's case, he knew they had some special powers.

    ~Not coloured yet but I will get around to that eventually.

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    And since Cross has an interest in the Ark, why not this kid who unknowingly has powers to control it. ^_^ Indeed. Makes so much sense that I wonder how the story will weave around if this doesn't turn out to be true.
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