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    ... I wonder what uncle Freud said if he was told about Linali's dream?
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    He would propably say
    "..From her dream I know that...She hates her mother !!"
    The ultimate answer !

    (Nakama is comrades, that's true - but the chapter i downloaded here has "Human"
    And I stand firmly by what I just stated!
    I just love this quote
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    ... I wonder what uncle Freud said if he was told about Linali's dream?
    He'd say it was indicative of her deeply-seated desire to have babies with her dad. Those pillars? Phallic symbols. And alot of water in dreams symbolises repressed childhood sexual abuse (true). That sexual encounter with her father at an early age has festered and grown into a fully-fledged sexual desire to be with her father, the only male who she can truly see as a real, strong and reliable man.

    But since she is not with him, she is crying in despair, in a world which has crashed down around her and in which all people have ceased to exist, since her father - the one person who, for her, symbolises the "true" embodiment of a fellow human being - has not reciprocated her passion.

    With no signs that he will do so anytime soon, this lack of hope for the world in which she currently resides will continue to fill her with more and more ennui, eventually leading to her actively participating in the destruction of said world, as she can see it as the only true path available to her. In an attempt to fill some small part of the hollow left inside her, she will desperately turn to other men as lovers - but since she cannot really feel anything for them, she will be totally indiscriminate in her choices, inevitably resulting in a long succession of failed relationships; which will in turn serve to further reinforce her belief that her father is the only one with whom she can be truly happy. She will also begin to hate herself for her faults which she will see as the reason her father is not with her.

    This self-destructing cycle of self-despair and self-loathing will continue in ever-tightening circles as she goes to further and further extremes in an attempt to feel anything - she will experiment with all manners of drugs and sexual deviancy, most likely including some masochistic and sadistic behaviour. The hate which she feels for herself and the world will begin to manifest itself in acts of nihilism which will start to occur with alarming frequency, until her final collapse in some forgotten place, junked up to the eyeballs, naked, with a belt around her arm and scabs all over her body. She won't even notice her own death, as she will have barely been conscious for the previous series of months; and no-one else will notice it either.

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    ...Seems like every teenager problem

    But seriously, quite a nice "Psychological Journey" If I can call it like that - but most of those problems are incredibly easily solved - as every human being is easy to please by providing the desires of their body (warm of another person) and mental help (by trying to support someone). The problem doesn't completly disapears, it just become less important in that moment - that's the way most of manga's character solve their emotional problems.
    Well, I always say that "carpe diem" is the best philosophy of living

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    Well, the ACTUAL version says nakama, and I know enough Japanese to know:

    a) what nakama means
    b) what the word for human is
    and c) they're not the same. =P

    Rinari's psychological problem is probably that she's too close to Komui due to the fact that they were separated. (Separation seems to equal instant affection, in her opinion - look at how obsessed she got with Allen during that time. =P)
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    Or she is especially weak to the fact that she can loose someone. She lost her brother and although they had met again, she just doesn't want to feel the same way she felt that time.

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    Exactly - because they might not meet again. (Although Rinari's met up with pretty much everyone she's "lost" so far - and there's another good reason why Kanda and Crowley aren't dead/won't be dead.)
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    ...Why only I asked? Why I am asking again?
    Exactly - because they might not meet again.
    Well then it can explain her seing Allen dead. That also states him as most important person in the world to her.
    So Constant stress of fear to get separated from persons she knew manifested in for of that constant nightmare?

    And what is freudistic explaination of her seing Allen dead, and her crying over his corpse?

    Side note: I wonder when she starts to see Allen's corpse in her dream?
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    Well, he is pretty important to her - she's calling out to him when she's dying, after all. It seems like she's not worried about Komui disappearing again, but has someone new to worry about - so maybe now that he's back, she won't dream about that kind of thing anymore?

    So far, she hasn't seen him dead/unconscious - she sees herself alone. Allen saw himself in that way as well as Rinari crying, noting that she was alone - which I think might be what she said when she told him about her dreams (technically, before they were separated and before he had a dream).
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    We'll see.

    Hm, I was positive she had a dream where she saw a dead body in old exorcist outfit, hood on (exactly resembling Allen), and it was not the same dream what Allen saw.

    Then maybe it is just what Freud said to his daughter about her dream about banana...
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