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    KyokushiNanaya is offline Senior Member Regular
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    well since it's currently facing the warriors of the north then it might as well fall. Sure they have the black sisters ( Alicia and Beth ) but I don't think they're enough to change the flow. And... actually the org DID become weak, if you compare the capabilities of the previous claymores to the new ones they really have fallen. I mean they don't really have any special moves like Jean, Flora, Undine, Myria etc. has and I think they just swing their swords around. Take Clarice as an example, the previous number 47 wasn't that weak, she's a good example of the organization's weakening because even though she was a failure they still opted to take her in the ranks because they didn't have enough soldiers. Another example is the so called "New Eye" Rune (err... Reene), who wasn't able to detect Riful. We all already know that Galatea the previous eye could detect Riful immidiately when she went for Clare. In these grounds we can tel that the organization's soldiers are becoming low in quality. this is probably because the training they're placed into was improper or was done in a hurry because of the escalating war of the three factions namely Isley, Riful and the Org. So I guess I'll stand by my words to call the Organization's current state as "fallen". I personally believe that if the previous generation organization clashes with the current, the current would be totally annhiliated (is the spelling correct? Bah oh well). ^_<

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    All those people you mentioned having special moves were single digits; surely, if we were to see any of current single digits fighting we'd get teh same picture. And it is so - remember the pair that was fighting Riful right after timeskip, they had their special moves and those were pretty strong.

    Galathea was number 3, surely she has to be a better eye then number 6.

    Clarice.... she showed her good side at least once, when surprised Agatha with a pretty good attack and was able to rescue Miatha. Miatha herself has insane potential, and is surely stronger then Ophelia.

    As Helen said all numbers below 30th are most likely filler matherial, so i have to agree on you with that. Then again, even if org is overall weaker then it has been before i don't belive this weakening to be dramaticall.

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    The pair you were talking about, their special moves were just practical moves and not really strong. For example one of them can amplify her slashes by running it on the ground, I don't think that's pretty hard to do at all. The other one can return attacks like jujiitsu but using a sword, that too isn't that impressive. Yes Rune (reene) is indeed only number 6 but the fact that she's called as the "new eye" means she should have at least reached Galatea's previous level. But i do agree that it's not dramatical, yes, however it's still weakening. Hmm... ok I will retract my "fallen" comment but I will stand by the fact that the organization is starting to decay and if they don't do something about it they're most likely to perish, one reason is that the other factions had started to evolve (priscilla (well there's no need to evolve there) but there's also Luphiela).

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    I doubt that other warriors than 1+2 will have an importand role any more, at lest not as enemys for the northern war veteran rebels.
    But I donīt think that the special moves of the warriors that lost against riful have to bad just because they are basic, floras/clares is very basic as well.
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    Floras and Clare's aint basic. As for Flora she needed to train her right arm to achieve the speed of unsheathing her sword then sheathing it back. As for Clare, she needed to Awaken her right arm in order to do the flash sword and that's not basic, if she wasn't careful enough she could have accidentally awakened. Comparig Wind Cutter and Flash Sword to those other two's technique is like comparing Calculus and Statistics to a mere addition and subtracton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyokushiNanaya View Post
    Floras and Clare's aint basic. As for Flora she needed to train her right arm to achieve the speed of unsheathing her sword then sheathing it back. As for Clare, she needed to Awaken her right arm in order to do the flash sword and that's not basic, if she wasn't careful enough she could have accidentally awakened. Comparig Wind Cutter and Flash Sword to those other two's technique is like comparing Calculus and Statistics to a mere addition and subtracton.
    I was just talking about the floras/clares wind cutter in comparence of the two new techniques, not about irenes/clares flash sword. Despite of training and speed, it still is a basic move just like the moves of the two single digits, thats why I think that they, though basic, still can be very good and effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nroejb View Post
    I was just talking about the floras/clares wind cutter in comparence of the two new techniques, not about irenes/clares flash sword. Despite of training and speed, it still is a basic move just like the moves of the two single digits, thats why I think that they, though basic, still can be very good and effective.
    However, even the wind cutter isn't basic. While it's true that it doesn't use the same complex process of the flash sword it's still a more advanced technique compared to the newbies moves. She only utilizes her arm's speed and agility to execute the move and that's quite hard for other claymores. Now see this, what's harder slicing your opponents extremely while being precise and accurate or running a blunt sword on the ground to use it as support the trusting it upwards using the ground's force as leverage. Personally I find the first choice harder to do... even a kid can come up with such method of using something as a leverage to amplify strength.

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    ...Not that I would know, I usually donīt think about ways to kill others efficiently in close combat. But if itīs an idea, a child could have, that explains why that bonehead uses it.

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    Well she lost immidiately anyway, that's where we differ... I always need to think of fast ways to kill an opponent because of my psyche teachers...

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    You sure you can say the words "Kill", "psyche" and "teachers" in one sentence that way these days? You will cause a panic and a "condamnable video games" discussion (you donīt necesserily have to be a gamer for that).

    Did somebody notice the form of the continent? I felt the same way as in 12 Kingdoms, when I saw that map... about: No! Thats nonesence, no landmass looks like that! Maybe an a little more exceptional design would have been worth the time to think about.
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