Thread: Should Clare still revenge herself upon Priscilla?

After what we know so far, do you think Clare should still kill Priscilla (or attempt to)?

I personally don't think so. If Clare tries to, wouldn't that just show that her character hasn't grown much in the past 7+ years - especially if she gets a chance to talk to Raki about Priscilla? Also, isn't Clare blaming the wrong person too, holding a misguided grudge? Granted, Priscilla lost it and cut down her friend, but don't all awakened claymores lose a part of who they were before?

It'll be interesting to see how things work out. I'm loving the way the story is heading.

hell yes, just for the sake of awesomeness in clarrigan versus pricilla

Excellent topic, should spark a good debate.

Originally Posted by heavenorhell7

After what we know so far, do you think Clare should still kill Priscilla (or attempt to)?

Yes, yes I do. Because I swear, if the manga's ending turns out identical to the anime's I will do something drastic.

If Teresa isn't avenged, then Clare might as well have continued to live her life as a human, in the fantasy island until the war on the continent consumes it (or something to that effect).

Originally Posted by heavenorhell7

I personally don't think so. If Clare tries to, wouldn't that just show that her character hasn't grown much in the past 7+ years - especially if she gets a chance to talk to Raki about Priscilla?

I completely understand you're stance on this, but seriously I don't think it would fit if Clare's attitude changed - that's the main thing that turned me off of the anime's ending. It was a complete 180º in not only attitude but plot-wise as well, and left me thinking, "Well what the hell was the point in all the struggling she (and others) went through?"

Of course, I am aware that the act of simply killing Priscilla has grown much more complicated at this point (what with the recent revelations), but that doesn't change the fact that Clare's only reason for being a Claymore is to stop the continued havok that Priscilla causes. If not for her or Teresa (or Ophelia and others for that matter) than simply because her and her group now seem to be the only ones who can make a dent in an Abyssal One's defenses.

Originally Posted by heavenorhell7

Also, isn't Clare blaming the wrong person too, holding a misguided grudge? Granted, Priscilla lost it and cut down her friend, but don't all awakened claymores lose a part of who they were before?

I have absolutely zero sympathy for Priscilla: she just went insane; even before she awakened or even released any of her yoki to start the awakening process. Simply because she was scared of dying by someone she thinks killed her papa, which clearly Teresa had nothing to do with. Priscilla could've at least killed Clare for mercy's sake after destroying her only loved one, but no she coldly looked past her and went on being a delusional pyscho (at this point, yes it is justifiable because she has awakened). Yes Priscilla is, herself, a tragic victim of circumstance, but maybe she should've listened to Ilena (Irene, w/e you prefer) and controlled herself so she could live and understand a little more before making such harsh decisions/judgements about other people.

In the end I dislike Priscilla because she is (sorry, was) an obedient pawn, lapping up the logic placed in front of her by the Organization which caused her situation to unfold as it has.

I suppose you are correct in saying that Priscilla is the wrong one to blame; truthfully I believe the Organization had this semi-pre-planned (it may have been a happy, accidental experiment) and even if this isn't the case they are in the wrong anyway. It is the Organization that allows yoma to do what they do (which is the cause of so many orphaned girls who become claymores). So now with the true nature of the organization revealed we can say that Clare should also focus on revenge against the Organization, but this doesn't mean Priscilla's actions are forgivable.

Yes I know, I read too much into things. I just really do not like Priscilla...

Originally Posted by heavenorhell7

It'll be interesting to see how things work out. I'm loving the way the story is heading.

We are in agreement there sir, I'm enjoying the recent chapters quite a bit and the direction is intriguing.

Originally Posted by Ferozban

hell yes, just for the sake of awesomeness in clarrigan versus pricilla

This also. I need to see Clare wail on Priscilla just for catharsis' sake, screaming, "YOU KILLED TERESA!!" and such. And hopefully by the time this is happening, Clare has explained why she is after Priscilla to her friends so it doesn't seem like she has some advanced form of split personality or schizophrenia.

P.S.: Sorry if there were spoilers I should've covered.

Fucking hell safeguard, you've completely said what I was going to say.

I also hate Priscilla and that bitch needs to die, if only for killing one of the best characters ever. Priscilla has not redeemed herself, she's only like this because Isley seemingly made her (more) retarded after their fight.

Claire needs to kill Priscilla, Teresa needs to be avenged. Nothing else is acceptable. Even if Priscilla saved 1000 orphans from a burning building she still needs to die. It's a matter of principle.

I see it more as a setup for a fight between Raki and Clare if she does pursue the revenge.

@StealDragon: That's the direction I'm seeing it heading too. It should be interesting. Too bad he's still a wimp though; Clare is going to slap him around and pimp him out to the other Claymores for a penny a pop (eh, that's not so bad, unless they're not gentle). He should have had an upgrade of the supernatural kind or something, because as a man, surrounded by powerful, cold, calculating, beautiful women can be too disheartening to bear. To fight monsters, you need to be either a human, monster-killing machine like Gutts or a pretty, supernatural, every-'thing' enchanting guy like Griffin; Raki is neither.

@safeguard: I agree that the organization is to blame for most of the ills in the land too, but that's the main reason why I like the Abysmal Ones. I would love to see those conceited, holier-than-thous brought down a peg: having their intestines eaten by their own spawns seems fitting justice to me. But who knows what they are really hiding? They're like the government on that island, and sometimes governments have to get their hands dirty for the greater good (at least that's what 'they' want you to believe).

And nah, Clare seems too reasonable to just kill for something as petty as revenge for something long, long past. I think the author recognizes this consistency in her character (whether intentional or not by design on his part), so her going ape-sh!t bananas at the sight of Priscilla might be too much of a stretch. But you have to admit, that if she did, that is a good twist. I think if Raki speaks to Clare, Clare will listen.

Anyways, Priscilla must not die! Just think of the powerhouse of help she could provide when all hell breaks loose when the threatening war reaches the island.

I dont think Priscilla will die or will be killed. And even if it happens, i doubt Clare will be involved.

What makes me suppose this is the fact that Teresa didnt kill Priscilla in the first place, she could have done it very easily. She clearly sensed Priscilla could become more powerful than her, but she decided not to cut her head off when she had the chance. Maybe out of compassion, Priscilla was only carrying order from the Organisation, maybe too arrogant, thinking after such victory she would not be hunted, maybe intuition or whatever, my belief is that she felt killing her opponent at this time was not right.

Revenge is essentiel to Clare though, it's what has made her get stronger and stronger over time. She clung onto life and overcame many danger thanks to her will and her thoughts of revenge (several times if I'm correct).

I hope I'm not right, cause I'd love to see Priscilla get her butt kicked big time, she clearly deserves it !


PS: first post on the forum, not a native english speaker, please flame kindly

Teresa spared Priscilla because Claire made her go soft (resulting in her death). I suppose Teresa's train of thought would have been that if she hid out long enough she could eventually conceal her Yoki completely and live like a normal human and no one would find her/kill her.

Ilena did it, Galatea did (both different aspects) so I bet Teresa would have done it.

Killing Priscilla is Claire's motivation for living this long. Even though she has Raki who is important to her, in Claire's mind she'll only see the Priscilla that killed Teresa. Any changes to Priscilla's personality will likely be overlooked since Priscilla killed the one person who loved her.

Originally Posted by heavenorhell7

@StealDragon: That's the direction I'm seeing it heading too. It should be interesting. Too bad he's still a wimp though; Clare is going to slap him around and pimp him out to the other Claymores for a penny a pop (eh, that's not so bad, unless they're not gentle). He should have had an upgrade of the supernatural kind or something, because as a man, surrounded by powerful, cold, calculating, beautiful women can be too disheartening to bear. To fight monsters, you need to be either a human, monster-killing machine like Gutts or a pretty, supernatural, every-'thing' enchanting guy like Griffin; Raki is neither.

Why's everything gotta be about Berserk? He could be just flat out awesome like Exa.

I'm with those who said that Priscilla should die (an epic battle is too good of a thing to not happen here), and of course she deserves that, but the other thing is bothering me here: how will Raki react? Of course, as El said, in Clare's eyes Pris is a monster forever; but Raki's view on things is clearly different, and I'm not sure whose opinion here is stronger. I actually doubt that either if them wold back off once argument (kill or not) arises. So we will most likely face a pretty interesting situation: if Clare attacks and kills (?) Pris she may loose Raki; if not she betrays Teresa. Whatever she chooses is a question on character development.

I don't have a clear answer here. Of course, revenge is important, being the only reason Clare has become claymore in the first place. But her second reason to keep on living, Raki, is not weaker. Which of them wins should the fight begin I can't say. For now, at least.

On a side note, El has reminded me of that episode and i thought that it would be funny if Clare makes the same mistake that Teresa has committed, lowering her sword at the very last moment, soften by Raki's words. The guy won't be able to become a claymore for the sake of revenge, would he?