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    wajubalo is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    You see there's still a problem. I realize she got info from archives, indeed this wasn't hard to miss. But even so she didn't really elaborate nor did she specify express knowledge that the dragon race and the wars were deduced specifically from the archives. To me, it came off that all investigating the archives managed to do was help Miria locate the isolated town and from that subsequently deduced her epic theory.

    If the archives were so specific, then it would not longer be a theory or hypothesis, rather hard fact. If she had read in the archives that there was a war and dragons - then there would be no need to make a monologue as if dragons and other continents were a possibility/theory, rather hard fact without all the details.

    Particularly Galatea goes, "What proof you have? Just some whacko ass hypothesis you've got there bitch?" Miria then states the claymores blades as proof.

    Still seems pretty sketchy to me. I think this chapter could have unraveled a lot better than it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wajubalo View Post
    You see there's still a problem.
    You want her to mention archives every time she states the fact? Like:
    "There is a hidden village. I got this from archives."
    "There is a distant continent. I got this from archives as well."
    "There is another race. As you guessed, i got this from archives."
    Like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by wajubalo View Post
    If the archives were so specific, then it would not longer be a theory or hypothesis, rather hard fact.
    Her theory means her doubts of organization's words, that were firstly supported by swords evidence. Later she got more proves to it, from archives obviously.

    Also, there is a huge difference between theory and hypothesis. Second one is not supported by facts, theory is. Meaning, hard fact is what gives birth to theory.

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    wajubalo is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Not at all like that. That would would totally suck. But it would have been much more believable if she simply clarified from the beginning that she investigated the archives and from this found information 'hinting' of other worlds, continents, and a war amongst two powerful races and that this investigation then led to traveling to the town where no Yoma were known. And from this, the claymore blades and the isolated town could be used as evidence to back the information she found in the archives. If the story was told in this manner with a touch of creativity, I think the same dramatic affect could have been had minus the problems I have with the manner Miria deducted her epic theory.

    Unfortunately it was not at all so realistic. Instead the manga made it seems like she investigated the archives and that this investigation led to the discovery of the isolated town and then from its discovery she deduced the epic theory: the war, races, and other lands.

    And lastly, taking the words theory and hypothesis so literal takes it out of context and deprives it of the purpose and meaning it had in the manga. In the manga, a theory came to mind in Miria to help her explain her natural world; a concept that was not yet verified but if found to be true would explain certain facts or phenomena about her world.

    But given all that I've said, I still think the way she deduced all that was sketchy.
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    this is the first chapter that all this has been introduced in. give it more time (chapters) to fully flesh out.

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    definitely. but I really don't know how future chapters will make the way Miria deduced her theory any more plausible. perhaps they'll add an 'extra scene' about how she investigated the organization. anyhow, time will tell. look forward to the next chapter.

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    What we know is what we know, how Miria came to find out about it is irrelevant if it all turns out to be true, no?

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    It would need quite an effort to actually try to make use of awakened being. Considerably, they were probably using yoma like monsters now or something less inteligent than yoma but more powerful.

    But wouldn't be using claymores work as well ?

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    Possibally, but then again if the Claymore's aren't stable then it wouldn't really matter since they could/would be more dangerous then the . Thus the experimental island.

    And wajubalo: if she found out all the info at once but needed a place to start, where would it be? I would check out the village. If the village indeed exists then I would say that the rest could/would probably be true... the exact details (they started creating monsters over there, the exact details on the "dragons", how far away, ext.) would be blurred, and thus me saying it is a theory, not fact. Also the fact that her theory states that the war is still going on (even after a hundred years as stated in the books (which implies it was longer still)) is another bit to this. For all we know the war is over, and the great experiment continues.

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    the problem with Claymores is that their are still part human, and have their own personality and aspirations somewhat. That's why I think the Organisation has taken such a liking to Alicia and Beth, because no matter what happens they don't have their own personality or anything else to live for, making them less resistant. They mentioned that these experiments caused the subjects to attack their 'allies', so I'm guessing they already tried using Claymores in battle.

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    Damn that was a really cool chapter. Argh another month of waiting.

 

 
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