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    Phantom Miria is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Cain View Post
    She has lost her left arm when battling with awakened priscilla.. And until she met with clare, she havent regain it.. I think Irene is an offensive type & cant regrown part of her body
    But, Rigardo who was an offensive type too, can regrown his arm after his battle with pris
    Thank you for stating the obvious. Ilena said it herself she's an offensive type.



    Rigald had plenty of time to attach it back. While I do not deny the possibility of them regrowing their limbs it shouldn't be growing back unless they're a monster like priscilla or Isley I'd think. If you were hinting at the possibility of Ilena surviving by Awakenining hence regrowing her arms, save it. If that was the case the organization would have known and sent Alicia for a test run should Raphaela unable to stop her.

    Do you think Rafaela is still alive after her meeting with weaken luciela?
    Rafaela gave a bear hug to kill her sister? XD
    I think the chance for rafaela was death is 20%.. Reason : Her purpose to kill luciela that made her still strong has been completed.. I think she comitted harakiri / sepuku (suicide) after that scene XD
    Pray tell what is your insightful mind telling you about the 80% of Raphaela's well beings and how she is alive or why. It wasn't a bear hug, she completely broke her sister's back probably damaging the spinal cords. Revenge? You really think she'd be thinking about revenge? How will revenge solve anything and would it be worth losing ones life? Also if you were Raphaela bent on destruction of the organization and ultimately revenge would you wait? No, if I was her I'd find the most opportune moment when I've gotten all the intel I can about Luciela I would slaughter the black robes to the brink of their extinction and foil their Alicia plan since without the robes the dolls practically useless. Raphaela isn't dumb.

    Only farfetched idea I could come up with to make Ilena alive and Raphaela plan out the revenge is the blank gap we never see of Ilena actually dying. Raphaela and Ilena could have had some agreement that when its her turn to die which would be after she settled the old score with Luciela she'd come to Ilena to give her a pair of arms before dying peacefully so she leaves Ilena alone. As much as I'm a fan of Ilena and I don't wish her demise either, I think thats a pretty farfetched ideas considering how Raphaela attacks without question.

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    my guess it would be that Ilena is dead(it would bring no extra to the story she staying alive hidding).
    But for Raphaela and Luciela my guess is that they are alive ^^
    They would be a nice plot twist, and maybe the motive that Riful is looking for someone who can read youma energy verry well...to equal the power of Isley or surpass

    About the arm of Rigald, he could regen it , the same as stated about Duph, that he could regen his hands but it takes a ridiculous time...that beeing possible because they already awakened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guto_chan View Post
    But for Raphaela and Luciela my guess is that they are alive ^^
    You are looking down on Priscilla's, Isley's and Raiful's yoki perception ability way too much. If Riful says that one of Abyssal Ones died it is so, this is of her highest concern after all, she won't just assume things without being sure.

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    First off a quote from Batman which may have sparked the thread:
    Batman: Did you see a body?
    Person X: No, but he fell down a 150 ft chasam!
    Batman: Then he isn't dead.

    First off, this isn't Batman, and second off, I think that these two groups are dead. It was stated that an Offensive type could regenerate their arms, and that if nessisarry they could do it fairly quickly. If they took their time they didn't have any real power loss, if they did it quickly, it would be as strong as a normal humans arm. Or at least that is what I remember. So Ileane vs. Rafalea, Ilena weakened, Rafaela wins hands down. I don't see Ilena awakening just to win a fight when she has given up hope, and passed what she learned to the next generation (Clare).

    As far as Rafaela is conserned, well I beleive that she unleashed her yoma energy in a way to take out both her and her sister so that they died at the same time. No actuall proof, but she wanted to end it and scince she hasn't released her energy in x years (I beleive it would have to be over 20) I don't think she could controle it acutely (however she could controle her sisters). One of the supporting therorys that she is alive (with her sister) would be that she purposely waited untill her sister was that weak to re-seal her yoma energy within her self, therefore possibly turning her sister back into either Claymore or human status. Either way, I still think they are dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    You are looking down on Priscilla's, Isley's and Raiful's yoki perception ability way too much. If Riful says that one of Abyssal Ones died it is so, this is of her highest concern after all, she won't just assume things without being sure.
    it is not that i´m looking down their ability to sense yoma energy, but Priscila doesn´t look like she would go fight Luciela or tell Isley if Luciela was alive, Isley was pretty weakened after the fight and Riful maybe able to find them but lost track after the same as Clare escaped from her.
    It is worth remember that Raphaela was not hurt and was a former number 2.If she made a way to surpress the yoma energy of Luciela(via soul link or other method) she could go hidding once there is no person that can ind them in the moment.Thus Riful know that they are alived and want someone who exceed in reading yoma energy to find them.

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    Okay, I gotta ask the most important question of all...

    Am I the only one that saw Raphaela squeeze her sister until her spine cracked and her body went limp? Modern scientist refer to her condition as "Dead."

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    I think both Ilena & Rafaela were not killed yet. I believed that it was only Rafaela
    who found some one was there. In addition, the Org. heads had concluded that Ilena is
    dead, so they have no reasons to go after her. As the Org. did not give an order to
    pursue Ilena, I think it was just Rafaela herself. She would mostly spare Ilena's life
    and not make her hands dirty.

    I just thought Rafaela as a normal employee without big ambition. Therefore, she
    did not bother causing the Org. heads inconvenience by overriding what they had
    concluded years ago, unlike someone (you know who) did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm4 View Post
    I think both Ilena & Rafaela were not killed yet.
    Hmmm....

    I believed that it was only Rafaela who found some one was there.
    Why do you think so?

    In addition, the Org. heads had concluded that Ilena is dead, so they have no reasons to go after her.
    What tells you that?

    As the Org. did not give an order to pursue Ilena,
    Organizations hunts down any deserted warrior, dangerous for them or not. Everyone.

    I think it was just Rafaela herself. She would mostly spare Ilena's life and not make her hands dirty.
    Why?

    I just thought Rafaela as a normal employee without big ambition.
    Her big ambition was the chance to kill Luciella. Only organization could provide such a chance to her, so she had to be absolutely loyal to its' orders. Or else.

    Therefore, she did not bother causing the Org. heads inconvenience by overriding what they had concluded years ago, unlike someone (you know who) did.
    What makes you believe that Organization thought that Ilena had been long dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranteil View Post
    First off a quote from Batman which may have sparked the thread:
    Batman: Did you see a body?
    Person X: No, but he fell down a 150 ft chasam!
    Batman: Then he isn't dead.
    I prefered the Bene Gesserit saying but that isn't too bad itself. Unfortunately, I very much doubt either of the two is alive. A pity - the Badass-force was strong with them

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    Ilena is alive and well. I agree except the only thing alive about Ilena is her arm with Clare. So technically speaking she is alive, only thing missing is a head, body and two feet.

    As for Rafaela being alive there's a probability of 85%. If she was alive she could have joined Priscilla's group. The battle did take place in the south and Priscilla's group did conquer it. Rafaela probably joined to take revenge on the organization or Isley offered her a purpose on life or maybe she had awakened and joined Priscilla. The other 15% is that she would have probably died is because she would have killed herself or killed by Isley or Priscilla and the organization used her body(and Ilenas' or Luciella's probably) as a patch up Claymore for Clarice, she does remind me of Rafaela.
    Last edited by grandleo; 03-16-2008 at 05:31 AM.

 

 
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