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    Phantom Miria is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Mmm its been awhile since I made a thread. I do it so occassionally but its fine since its not a discussion of who would win in a fight between Waldo and Bob.

    Anyway here's some of the things I've compiled and more than one occassions I used common sense and logic to try and fill out the gaps where we can't explain because we haven't seen anything about it.

    From the beginning if we look at the general pattern with the claymores in their brief flashback past we see little kids being grief stricken with the loss of everything dear to them. Many of them don't seem to have any attachments with the outside world anymore making them into solitary creatures right from the beginning even before they're picked up by the organization. Even if they survive the Yoma attack, rest of the villages try to shun them thinking they might have a contagious yoman virus or something. Even though they're not yoma they're treated almost equally with disgust. This makes it harder for them to try and seek salvation by normal means and I won't be surprised if some villages tried to kill these children thinking they might become Yoma later. As a human being, they lost that simple need of attachment the moment their family is slaughtered and they're fated to either meet death or horrible consequences awaits them. For instance if they were survivors of war, and provided they're girls theres very limited things that can happen to them in the span of a week or two. I'll save the details since I think everyone gets the messege what that horrible consequences might be. Each day I think they're either dreaming about Revenge or they live day to day wishing everything will just end soon. Some might even become sadistic by trying to end it all for themselves by cutting their own body. Being kids they possess very little physical prowess and equally weak state of mind under the circumstances piled on them. Hence when the blacks approach them with a way out of their life and into something they trick the kids to believe are salvation, they'd jump at the chance to become a claymore. Because ultimately its better than the current life they lead as rubbish human beings, rotting away with the remainder of their time alive trying to survive.

    Now they're recruited but theres some questions we have to cover. Its something I've been thinking about ever since Teresa's handler Orsay mentioned her rank, her class and warrior number. I can vaguely remember but she is class 77 #100something warrior. Here's basicly what I deducted out of theory. Each Class has roughly about 200~300 trainees who is called Warrior # *** depending on the number they're assigned. This would mean if all trainees successfully became Claymores, their numbers must have skyrocketed and wouldn't have stopped at 47 but instead each region will be covered by a small team of claymores ALL times not just during Awakened Beings hunt. So what are we missing? Not all 300 passed the exam to ascend to become a Claymore. This only tells me few things.

    They're kids we admit that the moment they're recruited via whatever means. This can be picking up strays from places where the war only ended a day ago? most commonly from slave traders, and a number of ways they could have gotten them. Frankly the organization doesn't care much if the kid they found was healthy or not, strong or weak. As long as they find that they have no further attachment to human societies to pull them back away from the organization death squads, they don't care about who the child is or their profession as humans (which as children I'd be shocked if they had any other profession than playing around in the sun). Now each class is run for I don't know how long but I'd imagine if Claire is any indication, possibly for a decade? This would mean Claire really is a newbie when we first see her at the start of chapter 1. But anyway back to the topic at hand. The children got accepted and theres about 300 of them! GREAT! Now lets think how theres very few of the Claymores and what possible causes there are in reducing the numbers greatly.

    Claymore trainee trainings. If anyone ever watched 300 where the kids are put through a tough training they called Egogei. Then you should know the trainings aren't going to be easy. Trainers will probably physically abuse them alot and beat them into shape. Training them in the wild and making them live off natural resources like animals. I concluded about half of the numbers will be reduced into corpses just with the intensity of the training. Its questionable whether the same practice occurs but I think its relevent so I'll suggest this. They might even be required to kill each other as kids just to survive. I won't be surprised if they had to, in order to gain the natural resource like water, food, and good places to sleep without being eaten by wild animals. I would assume about 50 of them will be alive by the end of the trainings first round. With the strong survivors I believe this is when they'll try and put their surgery to use and implement yoma flesh into the kids. While some will die a horrible death, I believe among the few numbers there will be survivors. And very few survivors at that. Allow me to emphasize here the number will be cut down dramatically less than 10 if not 10. I trust each class has about 2 or 3 survivors who then assume the position of Claymore. Remember how young Claire and her friend were hugging each other because it hurts? Well when I think about it, I don't think its just the surgical pain of having yoma inside them thats causing pain. But imagine yourself a 12 year old going through the harsh experience of killing each other for survival, the harsh beating and training by the trainers and each morning you wake up thinking how your dreams came true(that your living in a normal household with a large bed of flower gardens to play around under the sun) and today and everyday is just a nightmare you'll wake up from. Basicly they not undergo just physical pain and stress but many if not most undergoes mental breakdowns and depression from my guesses. It would possibly explain Ophelia's sadistic nature which most likely didn't just surfaced out of random. Because if you look at her when she's most vulnerable she really does look vulnerable.

    The end product is a Claymore. They find it hard to express emotions towards others let alone humans. Some do but that rarely happens. The handlers seperate them to minimize useless chats and the possibility of them plotting against the organization for whatever reasons. I would take it to my assumption that almost ALL awakend being hunts are being monitored closely by people like Galatea so there is virtually no chance of royal fuck ups. They work alone, they're solitary wolf like creatures and the fact that they're feared greatly by the organization doesn't help them get along well with normal folks. I have a inkling feeling that humans fear them not just out of the fact that they're half breeds. Possibly the blame could be merited to the organization who could have spread rumors to instill fear in ordinary folks. Why? so it helps their claymores not to get attached to anyone or any place. Having no attachment is a big bonus to them because this means they have no reason at all to oppose the Organization's rule. For, what will motivate them? Incident at Pieta, they underestimated Miria and got royally screwed when they had 7 survivors. How did it happen? They allowed conversation between claymores to exist. More conversation there are, its dangerous for them. Thats probably why on seperate regions they work alone independantly in comparison to having 2 or 3 people working on killing one yoma. I mean logically speaking more claymore they have, it would make sense to get the work done faster by assigining more people in one region. But truth is they dont and the reason could have been simply stemmed from them not wanting communication to exist. They really over done it about making them solitary creatures if you ask me.

    Edit: I need to rest my brain for a hour or so. lol have fun reading.
    Edit MKII: Just for you RPer's this is what I would expect all of you to think about when writing a history about your childhood before you become Claymores. Non of the fairytale stuff nor life of comfort. Lets keep it bang on with harsh reality as our setting. Well read through all that when writing character profiles. I think it'll help you to think on the same frequency as me if not better.
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    I read your post and I will overall summary :

    The organisation is bad. Claymore's are sad beings and aren't really treated nicely. The organisations might plan something big, don't want other Claymore's to learn about it, don't want them to interact with humans and each other too much - they are just tools.


    About the trainee thing, you said a lot but as I understood, the Claymore's are trained and when a place of all 47 districts is open (and probably that happens a lot), they just put new trainee which seems to be ready in her place - as simple as that. They probably calculated they can't have more than 47 Claymore's going around freely, because they won't be able to control them.

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    You made some mistakes on leaving out some juicy details. as to why i think claymores are assigned alone to a region and heaps more. Well its good you read the whole lot but I would appreciate it from making a summary since thats what people read hence skipping out the key notes I made about how, why, when.

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    I decided that Claymore being abused in training and all consists in being not treated well. Well, I shouldn't be making a summary, since your post as a summary of the Claymore origin , which you just explained using many words.

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    I did say it includes theories I deducted. If you miss those what discussion will take place?

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    That's my whole point - I don't see much space for discussion

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    Thanks, moving on does anyone have any other thoughts on what I explained or is my thoughts obsolete? to the point they just cant be argued against? I'm sure theres others out there who must have thought differently?

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    put her flesh in me !
    i think thats what Claire said
    and it raised many q in my mind about the process of clymortion (if you can call it that)
    do they ingeste the flesh(not likly) or surgery (remmber how ugly Teresa's body was)
    or other means unkown to me like magic??

    the orgnization is and must be bad
    the q is how bad

    what if the yoma themselfs are a product of the orgnization !
    created so the people can be controled and abused by the orgnization

    "when you are in fear you have no will"

    (i would not be surprised if the final boss found to be the head of the orgnization)

    any way
    in a stroy like this (when the hero is either possesed or half evil ) a happy ending is most unlikly.

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    You theory is close to what I thought about this whole system, exept for one point: I do not think that they are made to kill each otehr in the process of training. If it was part of thier drill, they won't be able to see other claymores as anything but anymies and forming teams would be impossible since they won't trust each other even a little. It is true that they are not very friendly with each otehr, but i doubt that it is the result of killing training.

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    I can see the logic in a lot of what your saying but I disagree with some of it. I agree that the organization seems to choose just girls who are alone and have had past traumatic experiences involving yoma (family slaughtered type stuff). There are several reasons for them to do this. The girls will have a built in hatred of the yoma and have absolutely no problem with the thought of killing one...or several. They will be motivated soldiers. They'll go through any training or physical alteration.They can use the "If you really loved your family, you'll do anything you can to avenge them" and being that they are young children who have just had such an emotional experience, they will be easy to manipulate.

    Plus if they have no family and were always shunned it will be easier for them to spend long periods of time alone on yoma exterminations. No family or friends to miss. No boyfriend wanting to "spend time". Just her and her job.

    But one thing I don't agree on is the training you described. I doubt that they would get even 300 total trainees. I think it's probably closer to about 10 prospects a year who fit the criteria. I know that they can use the slave trade but I doubt that they are looking for girls who have not had some kind of past experience with the yoma. Plus I don't think that they are willing to actually pay for candidates. I'm thinking their more into free labor and people who would either be much easier to brainwash or wouldn't need any additional brainwashing at all. Plus I don't see the organization as being big enough to watch and manage 300+ people at a time. That takes a lot of time and manpower to keep track of them.

    And while the training is hard I doubt it's that mush of a survival test. No need to starve them because when they become Claymores they won't need much food. I think that once the girl agrees to become a Claymore they put the Yoma flesh into her. Then it's just a matter of training her in combat and to become accustomed to her new power. Doesn't really make much sense to have them undergo training beforehand since it will all be rendered useless once they become part yoma. Think about Priscilla. Do you think a person with her personality (post & pre awakening) she would have been able to survive that kind of training or possibly even kill another human being? I doubt it.

    As regards to the emotions, from what I've seen so far Clair seems to be the exception and not the rule. At first she seemed robotic and cold. But I have not really noticed any of the others being the way she is. Most seem to actually have personalities and seem capable of socializing with others. I had also initially gotten the idea that Claymores would all be like that. That their personalities would be as uniform as their armor. But many of them seem surprisingly well adjusted considering their situation. Sure they ALL have issues but Claire seems to be the one who has the real problem expressing emotions.

    All in all, I still think it's a well thought out theory despite any differences in opinion.

 

 
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