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    well, i dont think they kill each others because if they did, all the claymores would hate the organisation. I mean, if some1 make you kill humans since childhood, you would become a sikco and hate every %&" thing in the world and you wouldnt mind killing some humans(something that the organisation doent want to happen).
    Maybe they had some rught training but not to the extend of killing the kids because it is not convinient and beside when the flash back of number 5 apear, she saw teresa escaping from the the organisation for fun, and she wasnt sad, if it would had been so bad, she wouldnt had escaped because of the punishment.
    In my opinion, the organisation choose orphan kids because they can teach them wathever they want, they are easy to brain wash, nobody would miss them if they die and alredy hate the yomas. Then, if they manage to do well in the training, they put yoma inside of them and if they survive(probably alot of them die in the proses or aweken and get killed) the organisation keep there training until one of the claymores die.
    to resum, With the few that probably survive in the surgery, and with the constant change in the claymores army(because of a fight with an awekening, the black cards, surprises atacks by yomas or get killed by the organisation), a "school" with 300 students is enought. and with the ones that dont lear, or are weak, probably disapiar


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    If they never killed one of their own kinds before I find it abit strange how Claire was able to manage killing her friend Elena I think was called when she sent her the Black Card. It must still be hard on them to kill another but she did kill her without looking back.

    Teresa is a monster and probably was one too when she was much younger.

    I set the killing between the trainees after watching 300 and relating it to Hidden Mist village graduation ceremony. I'm not 100% or even 50% certain it did happen but sometimes when I see how the organization works and their motto of growing claymores into half minded cold blooded killing machines, i think they would have at least one or two chances of ordering a trainee to kill another. Or maybe they just raise kids like Raphaela to be the head hunter for using her in the future as claymore slayer/punisher. Its just that Claire had no qualms about killing Elena that makes me think she might have had experience before perhaps younger and illexperienced or maybe as a trainee.

    But don't worry I'm in doubt too even though I wrote what I wrote.

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    Well Clair even among the Claymores is an exception when it comes to emotion. Remember that her killing her friend was considered doing her a favor. These girl HATE yoma and the thought of awakening and becoming one of them is a thought that they can't bare. They are willing to kill their friend because they know how they would feel if they felt that they were close to awakening. Remember, sending out the black card isn't a decision the organization makes. Each individual Claymore chooses when, if, and to who they send the card. Since it's kind of hard to cut off your own head and these girls don't die easy, they turn to assisted suicide.

    And the organization has a rule about killing humans. If they allowed them to kill each other during training, then that rule would be pointless. They've already done it. But they always stress the importance of protecting human life.

    And I still don't think the trainees would number anywhere near 300. All of the Claymores we've seen so far seem to have survived a yoma attack that wiped out there family at an early age. I doubt that there are 300 girls like that around. And I doubt that the organization has the resources to take care of or even find that many willing candidates. Even though they have mentioned the organization "finding" them It doesn't seem that any of them were "forced" to do it.

    And training a girl with no yoma in her would be pointless. What are you training her for? To make her stronger & tougher? The surgery handles that on it's own. The only "training" they would need is mental (brainwashing).

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    Now ponder this. Teresa is a 77th Generation. Could mean anything but I think it means a group of children who was chosen to be a trainee during a decade or so. Warrior Number 182 sounds like her registration number among the 77th Generation. From the number of 47 Claymores something doesn't add up if Teresa was Claymore #182 in her generation. Precisely, among the 77th Generation and out of AT LEAST 182 trainees she's a survivor and was chosen to be Claymore while majority of that number failed. We all know to be a Claymore isn't easy and from the looks of things per generation they produce about 2 or 3. Remember Claire and Elena? They knew each other from trainee days but when Claire was at Pieta seeing alot of her Claymore friends she didnt seem to recognize any of them. I'm sure if your a survivor of claymore training and you meet up, least you would do is say hi. But Claire found no1 and added that she didnt feel welcome amongst the other Claymores. 300 is purely a figure number i thought of in my head but one things for certain i'd think, per generation there is roughly more than 182 trainees per generation.

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    mmm, maybe its means that the organisation started 77 years ago, and that teresa is the 182 person that could become a claymore. If u think about it, claymores doent get old, so it isnt extrange that after 77 years, there were only 182 claymores


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    Generation = years? I don't see the connection between years. If it was then i don't really see the point in saying generation instead Orsay could have simply said Claymore #182 from the 77th year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria
    If they never killed one of their own kinds before I find it abit strange how Claire was able to manage killing her friend Elena I think was called when she sent her the Black Card. It must still be hard on them to kill another but she did kill her without looking back.
    Its' true for Claire, but I don't think that such calm behaviour is typical for all Claymores - when Miria found out that she just killed her friend it almost made her awaken out of shock and wrath. Perhaps it is just Claire's character and her habit of hiding her true feelings inside herself while remaining absolutely calm outside that made us think that she doesn't feel anything even when killing a close friend. Also, if i recall correctly, she lost her composure when recieved Black Card as well.

    Also, just as Tousen said, there is an issue of all claymores being brainwashed - they all value thier belonging to humanity very much, so killing a friend who is about to become a monster is seen as something honourable.

    Anyways, Miria's breakdown can't be taken as 100% proof for my point of view, since the reason for her reaction may be only her personality that is weak when it comes to friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria
    I set the killing between the trainees after watching 300 and relating it to Hidden Mist village graduation ceremony. I'm not 100% or even 50% certain it did happen but sometimes when I see how the organization works and their motto of growing claymores into half minded cold blooded killing machines, i think they would have at least one or two chances of ordering a trainee to kill another. Or maybe they just raise kids like Raphaela to be the head hunter for using her in the future as claymore slayer/punisher. Its just that Claire had no qualms about killing Elena that makes me think she might have had experience before perhaps younger and illexperienced or maybe as a trainee.
    I think that both of variants you mentioned are possible, since both of them perfectly suit with my image of organisation and that motto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen
    And the organization has a rule about killing humans. If they allowed them to kill each other during training, then that rule would be pointless. They've already done it. But they always stress the importance of protecting human life.
    I can't help not believing any words coming from organisatin when it comes to thier morals and principles. Sure they do talk a lot about how they love humanity and should protect it and how they think of Claymores as thier children. But after that lines like "I do not recall calling monster my child" and such (+Teresa had a theory about organisation sending yoma to villages that refused to pay) are said which make me doubt anything this guys say.

    I do not think that rule can be taken as proof here - it can be said that Claymores are simply afraid of killing people since they know that they would be killed by organisation if they do it - and in this case it doesn't matter if they already have an expirience of killing thier own kind or not. And again it all depends on Claymores' personalities - some maniacs like Ophelia won't care about killing humans or claymores - as long as organisation does not know it's fine (Ophelias words).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen
    And I still don't think the trainees would number anywhere near 300. All of the Claymores we've seen so far seem to have survived a yoma attack that wiped out there family at an early age. I doubt that there are 300 girls like that around. And I doubt that the organization has the resources to take care of or even find that many willing candidates. Even though they have mentioned the organization "finding" them It doesn't seem that any of them were "forced" to do it.
    I think I should agree with Phantom Miria on this one - it seems that number of Claymore in one generation should be around 150-300. And in this case it would make sence to test all girls before putting yoma flesh in them - I doubt that organisation will waste time and effort to create failures if they can simply choose 10-20 ones from those 200 that will show some result later before all transplantational procedures, which should take a lkot of time a be pretty expensive. And how many of those 20 will recieve numbers later can vary from generation to generation. So the reason to train them without putting flesh in is to chose several ones who will later show something superb instead of recieving 200 Clarice-like weaklings.

    Wasn't Claire the first and the only one who entered organisation on her free will? Of course they all are forced to join, remeber Teresa who was sold to organisation (although I'm not sure if i rememebr correctly here of not).
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    From extra scene 4 it seems to me that they put the Yoma flesh into you BEFORE you start training. And the number of trainees seems to be very small. There were only 10 potential Claymores at the last test. But there is a survival part of the test, but it's surviving against a yoma not each other. These things makes sense to me because for a lot of reasons.

    - They won't know what kind of Claymore you will become until they put the flesh into you.

    - The personalities of some of the girls do not fit with them having brutal training prior to having yoma flesh put into them.

    - I doubt there would be 100-300 different girls who would WANT to be Claymores at any given time. To get that they would have to wait a very long time before starting training.

    - Extra scene 4 shows that there were rules against them cutting each other much less killing one another.

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    Rather than lacking emotions, I'd say they go through logic. That's basically the most effective way for them to survive.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I can't help not believing any words coming from organisatin when it comes to thier morals and principles. Sure they do talk a lot about how they love humanity and should protect it and how they think of Claymores as thier children. But after that lines like "I do not recall calling monster my child" and such (+Teresa had a theory about organisation sending yoma to villages that refused to pay) are said which make me doubt anything this guys say.
    Most likely, the reason why the Organisation forbids the Claymores from killing people is to avoid people (who are, at the same time, the Organisation's clients) developing more fear toward the Claymores. If Claymores were allowed to kill people, then people, most likely, wouldn't trust them at all.


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    the es4 showed some important things, that contradict some parts of your theory Miria:
    the claymores do not have to kill each other in the training, they are not even allowed to cut each other.
    the fact they kill (or help to suicide) a fellow claymore is not because they are used to. i think this is pretty much the same than with samurais. they didn't kill their partners (the samurais) in training, but they were still able to help a fellow die in a honorous way.
    And of course there's the rule and the other reasons people mentioned above.

    i agree with u when you said a genereation of trainees is about 300 people. but we mus remember a generation is a long (well not very long) period of time, at least 10 years. so they can have 300 people but not necessary at the same especific time. and with very few survivors like in the final battle//graduation? of es4.

 

 
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