Clare's generation was probably unlucky, if anything.
The 1 and 2 were made in secret by the Organization, so they're Abyssal class.
The #3 has god-like youki manipulation... in a fight, I'd say that she'd slaughter the Awakened that could also control people.
The #4 was just crazy strong. Her 10% beat the awakened former #6 no problem, she de-broke her neck after it got 180'd by an Awakened.
The #5 was a former #2.
IIRC, all the #4's we've been exposed to so far have been known to be strong... strength-wise. Miata can rip basic yoma apart, not unlike Teresa against Rosemary. Ophelia... look at her little section above... And that one girl, I think Sophia was her name. We didn't get any confirmation on her rank, but the 3/4 choice makes me want to put her at #4 because speed > power for me.
I like arguing with people who aren't total idiots... too bad Elcura posted everything I could have with just a couple lines.
@Elcura: I think Clare can be a match, but she'd have to be against someone without a real special ability (Alicia, Luciella, Rosemary)... Against Isley or Riful, though, I don't think the conventional "flash sword in the face" would work.
During the fight against Rosemary, anyone would expect that something was wrong right when she stepped out. She gave Teresa her Black Card, but wasn't crazy or pre-awakening. Also, once she did awaken, Teresa had a chance to read Rosemary then... Though I don't think she NEEDED to use youki to win, what with the twisty straw she turned Rosemary's arm into.
Well, being at pretty much point blank range, surprise is a huge factor. And Priscilla's yoki was huge and all over the place making it difficult to read. I wouldn't be surprised if Teresa just stopped reading it altogether and focused on her swordsmanship during that fight.
Originally Posted by 4uk4ata
It's not only that though, Ilena had said it herself. Teresa wasn't fit for combat anymore, she had become too kind and trusting. She changed, and Ilena was the most surprised out of them all. Back when Teresa fought Rosemary, she was fit for combat, ready and willing to kill. There's a huge difference in the two.
@ xxxsaznpride (that's really hard to type out you know =P)
I don't think all the number 4's are strong. Ophelia was pretty weak, or maybe Claire was just too strong. I mean, Claire did solo her awakened form.
Ophelia's awakened form was far from being weak. She was pretty much testing Clare during that whole thing and could have killed her any second (something that almost DID happen). with those spike things that pretty much all major Awakened seem to have. If anything, she knew that she wouldn't have a chance against the superbitch if she already awakened at that level of strength (and from what I know, strength doesn't change if you permanently awaken) and so decided to pass the torch to the person who got the ability of the person who pwned her with one arm and no visible weapon.
If only the #2s had a parallel for being badass... Irene, Dauf, and Beth... the 2 last ones suck in comparison to Irene.
Only at the end of the fight was she testing her, the beginning she was pretty much trying to full on slaughter Claire. Ophelia doesn't seem like the type to go easy, even if it is just a test. And you forgot that Ilena was technically rank 3 before she left lol
You're right... but I don't count the superbitch in my ranking... mostly [purely] because she suckerpunched Teresa with a giant sword. Besides, can you REALLY count her after she was only on the workforce long enough for 1 person in the top 4 to learn her name before meeting her? Same thing goes for Rosemary... she's not Abyssal, but she was.
Also, why would you want to parallel Irene with Audrey at all? Audrey and Rachel fail as top 10s.
I'm gonna have to double check the Clare/Ophelia fight... but still, I'm sure Ophelia coulda taken Clare in the same fashion as Isley/Luciella. That makes Clare the same level back then as an awakened #4... a STRONG awakened #4. Above Miria?
Well, it's possible. I admit, the fight with Rosemary (now that I've read the filler) was quite impressive, even though IMO Rosemary was neither quite AB material not really making the best of her body. Keep in mind that most of what I say is theorizing, not 100% proof. As for reading a huge youki, however, I'm not convinced. IIRC reading large youki is even easier than a small one - I think Miria herself noted that when she found out that Clare's fighting style was based on youki reading, as she thought that such a style is perfect for fighting awakened beings. However, Priscilla was great at hiding her youki normally... Maybe she was able to release it quickly, or Theresa wasn't able to distinguish between Priscilla trying to control her half-awakened body and gearing up for an attack. Or, which can be scary, Priscilla retained some ability to mask her youki even in half-awakened and awakened state. Not a nice thing for anyone who fights her, imo .
Originally Posted by Elcura
As for Clare's fight with the awakened Ophelia, I'd say it doesn't quite show Ophelia's true potential. IMO Ophelia was definitely not fighting at her true potential and judging by the "test" she made for Clare, probably at least subconsciously wanted to be killed.
Last edited by 4uk4ata; 08-28-2007 at 02:18 AM.
Duph wasn't number 2 he was number 3. In his era number 2 was Rigald the silver eyed lion king's ranking.
Originally Posted by xxsaznpride
@4ua4kata... i think that's the spelling...
Anyway: A bigger yoki helps to a certain extent. If it gets too big, then it'll just be a giant floating mass of yoki that you can't read very well. I'm pretty sure that Teresa said that during the fight against the superbitch.
@Miria: Thanks for the correction. It changes quite a bit, actually... Now Simba and Irene are badass while Beth STILL sucks. Oh... and Rafaela as a #2 was great as well. And I don't count Rosemary because she was A) dead too fast, and B) if she counts as a #2 badass, why can't she be counted as an abyssal one? (rhetorical question =)
I don't think that it is right to compare Beth to any other number 2, she is way to specialized for that. She is the only one who coan hold Alicia after all, and without sister's help Alicia will be just meaningless monster - she has no "soul" after all.
Originally Posted by xxsaznpride
Question: In which chapter episode with Rosemary occured? It seems that i missed that...