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    Hynavian is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    Clarice's hidden power: Play dead while Miata kills everything around you
    Oh hahahaha

    Playing dead is also a tough skill to master you know

    I think Clarice might do something unexpected just like Clare. Maybe run off with Miata or something or to enroll her in some school. (joking)

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    The reason why she hasn't been able to turn her hair blonde is because she lacks training and not enough Super Saiyan goodness.

    I believe the most of Clarice we'll see will be the cannonfodder character she is in order to make Miata go berserk once Clarice is injured pretty badly or killed.

    Somehow though I see Clarice a survivor in the series. At least from Miria's gang. She seems the type to be questioning about her purpose in life, the organization and somewhat unnerved to go seeking out Galatea to be directly responsible for a death of a fellow Claymore who hasn't even awakened yet. Even Teresa was to a degree displeased at the thought of killing a sister of a same breed as her when fighting Rosemary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hynavian View Post
    Now its time to create more topics to stimulate the thinking of all Claymore fans! (Jobs of Phantom Miria and me)

    Do the numbers(#s) in the organisations represent anything? How are the ranks of Claymores given? And on what basis are they promoted?

    Take a look at this parallel:

    #4 Ophelia <----------------------> #4 Miata
    Are the #4 positions only given to Claymores who have potential but are nutty?
    Not necessarily. Ophelia was a bloodthirsty... one.. but she could function okay on her own even without a handler. Before then, the #4 in Theresa's time (whoever of the two it was) was a feisty one, but hardly a nutjob. For me, a better Miata paralel would be Priscila - very strong but very unstable emotionally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hynavian View Post
    Then how about...
    #47 Clare <------------------------> #47 Clarice
    Are #47s reserved for "failed" Claymore creations or Claymores who are more unique than the others? If its true that Clare can pull off miracles now and then what about Clarice. You never know...Clarice might have some hidden powers.
    It is the dead last position. It is reserved for the failure of the crop, and all the claymores know it. Remember when Deneve and Helen learned that they're going out with Miss 47 on their first hunt? Even afterwards, in the Northern Massacre, Flora immediately dismissed the notion of a 47 being useful in her first fight. She learned otherwise later, sure. If any objective measurements were taken around that time, however, Clare would of course rank much higher. I would not be surprised if even before her half-awakening at the cathedral, she wasn't the weakest of the bunch, but that is my guess.

    So yeah, # 47 is reserved for failures - at least those deemed failures whenever numbers are assigned. It needs not be some special plan, just that this is the rank of the weakest of the 47. Of course, the relative strength of the claymore generations varies; a #47 from years ago might be notably stronger - or weaker - than the current holder of the title. Frankly, the last generation does not seem overly powerful - probably because the organization had to rush finding replacements for 27+ positions in short order (the 24 + Galatea + Ophelia + Rafaela), including almost all in the top 10.

    Likewise, the #1 claymore will almost always be monstrously strong, simply by virtue of her being the alpha wolf of the entire pack. I doubt that before the sisters, the holder could go one-on-one with an abyssal one, however - Theresa was as strong as they made them, and her generation weren't pushovers either (1-armed Irene vs Ophelia... Seriously, that must have been humiliating), but if her "fight" with awakened Priscilla was any indication, she might not last long vs Isley or Riful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4uk4ata View Post
    Likewise, the #1 claymore will almost always be monstrously strong, simply by virtue of her being the alpha wolf of the entire pack. I doubt that before the sisters, the holder could go one-on-one with an abyssal one, however - Theresa was as strong as they made them, and her generation weren't pushovers either (1-armed Irene vs Ophelia... Seriously, that must have been humiliating), but if her "fight" with awakened Priscilla was any indication, she might not last long vs Isley or Riful.
    As a Teresa fan, I feel like I have to kick you in the face for that... =\

    Anyway, she totally raped the Awakened Rosemary, who (if nothing else) would be at Abyssal level as a number 1 that awakened (formers count too or no?). Against the awakening Priscilla (because she died before the actual final leap into being a superbitch), she was holding her off AND slowly beating her ass down at 10%. Teresa going to 30% should be enough for Isley and Luciela... though I'm not sure what kind of ability you'd need to fight Riful... maybe cutting her through all the way?

    The only real thing wrong with what you said would be that, based on it, I kinda draw that you think Teresa was trying her very best against Priscilla. She said she was serious, but she's also said she doesn't like going higher for the sake of anyone nearby. Kinda like Galatea, but her reason was a lot more vain in comparison.

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    lol, Teresa was not trying at all to fight Priscilla. Teresa lost because she had gone soft because of Claire, and was willing to give Priscilla not 1, but 2 chances. One to live as a human, the other to die. Priscilla being the sneaky bastard she is took advantage of Teresa's newfound kindness and decided to kill her. Teresa was going at max 10&#37; and completely beat down a near 80% Priscilla.

    If Teresa was still alive when fighting Awakened Priscilla we might've seen her try, I would give a newborn baby to see that fight.

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    I think that there is more here then what you think Miria, but perhaps not what the original thread was looking for. I beleive that they train several specific aspects for the Warriors so that they have a minimum of one warrior focused on several issues, and then they tend to let the rest go their own way in training. These "Eliets" are the Top 5. The only other exeption would be slot 47, where either the "worst" (see Clarice) or the one they suffered the most dissipointment with (Clair needed a lot more training, but could at least use her inherited powers).
    In short the most effective one is #1. The stratigist was #2. The strongest/agilest ones were #3/4, and the "Eye" was #5. The order could be changed to a degree, but the four slots were always there. In the new arangement #1 stays as the most effective (she can kill an abyssal one), #2 is her anchor. #3 was the eye (she is also a stratigist, just look at her power), and #4 was the fast one (Ophilia was both actually, but I put her in fast due to the fact on how easily she caught up with Clair going over her limits to get away), #5 was the strong one, as well as another Eye (she killed her[awakened] sister with her bare hands).

    I haven't seen enough of the "7 years latter" group to know the layout of Claymores there, but something tells me it isn't that much diffrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    As a Teresa fan, I feel like I have to kick you in the face for that... =\

    Anyway, she totally raped the Awakened Rosemary, who (if nothing else) would be at Abyssal level as a number 1 that awakened (formers count too or no?). Against the awakening Priscilla (because she died before the actual final leap into being a superbitch), she was holding her off AND slowly beating her ass down at 10&#37;. Teresa going to 30% should be enough for Isley and Luciela... though I'm not sure what kind of ability you'd need to fight Riful... maybe cutting her through all the way?

    The only real thing wrong with what you said would be that, based on it, I kinda draw that you think Teresa was trying her very best against Priscilla. She said she was serious, but she's also said she doesn't like going higher for the sake of anyone nearby. Kinda like Galatea, but her reason was a lot more vain in comparison.
    Heh. Well, I suppose after such an attack, I should try to defend myself .

    The main problem with Theresa is that practically no one has ever seen her fight at over 30% - and lived to tell the tale, at least. So I can't really measure her against the ABs. And yes, she was going easy on Priscilla for a while. However, in their last fight she didn't even see Priscilla move when she lost her hands, nor made a move to evade the killing blow. Now, I think she, like Clare, was good at youma reading, which means that she was the one best suited to see such an attack hence Priscilla was WAY too fast for her. Even if I'm wrong, she was still not able to react in time, at all, which means that Priscilla was still darned fast. Well, judging at what happened to Irene, who was also a speed warrior, she had to be. I have no idea who Rosemary was at the moment... Was she from the "I'm #4, not you" duo? IIRC one of them was Noel, but the name of the other eludes me. Or maybe she was from the sidestories... I need to check up on those.

    So yeah, I do think that awakened Priscilla would be a match for her. I do mean the fully awakened one, of course. I don't know how good Theresa would be at 50 or 70%, but I'm not even sure that she would go there. Plus, the way I see it, the recently-awakened Priscilla and the Priscilla who beat Eisley would probably be worlds apart. When the hit team was assembling, Irene noted that Priscilla had incredible potential, even as she was already quite good. So even if Theresa could match a fully awakened Priscilla in their first fight, that does not mean she is at the level where she can go toe-to-toe with Riful or Eisley. Well, we'll never know I guess.

    As for each of the Top 5 having a particular function, it is possible but not likely. The current pair of 1 and 2 (warrior and controller) definitely defy the tradition, although Rafaela and her sister show that attempts of a similar team have been made in the past. As for a "seer", IIRC Galatea was the best of her generation, as her role in observing Clare's first AB fight would indicate. Rafaela was also very good, but probably more valuable for her loyalty and determination than her talents.

    Besides, I'm not sure whether the gap between the top 5 and the rest is always so great. Just because it was so in Miria's time does not mean that's how it has always been and will always be. As far as the new generation, iirc their best "eye" is not in the top 5, but I don't know anything on her yet.
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    Huh? The reason she died was because she let her guard down. Priscilla's attack wasn't fast it was unexpected. Add the shock of getting your hands chopped off immediately followed by a head swipe and what are you supposed to do?

    And Rosemary was the former #1 before Teresa outranked her. She was an awakened being who just wanted to kill Teresa, but Teresa only using 10&#37; slaughtered her.

    Teresa is as much as a match though for Abyssal One's as Claire currently is. But for a newly awakened Priscilla, Teresa could've killed her using no more than 30%.

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    Leaving aside all Teresa X Priscilla comparison...

    Quote Originally Posted by 4uk4ata View Post
    As for each of the Top 5 having a particular function, it is possible but not likely.
    Agreed. It seems that they are just the strongest against 47. Nothing more.


    Quote Originally Posted by 4uk4ata View Post
    As for a "seer", IIRC Galatea was the best of her generation, as her role in observing Clare's first AB fight would indicate.
    Alicia? Yeah, she is an exeption, but still.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4uk4ata View Post
    Rafaela was also very good, but probably more valuable for her loyalty than her talents.
    Ilene asked Rafaela why she is stuck at number five while being so incredibly strong. I suppose we can trust Ilene in judging her "comrades" power, can't we? Rafaela was not covert ops for nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4uk4ata View Post
    Besides, I'm not sure whether the gap between the top 5 and the rest is always so great. Just because it was so in Miria's time does not mean that's how it has always been and will always be.
    I think that we lack examples to judge here.
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    Never said Rafaela wasn't powerful, just that she wasn't the best in youma reading (ranteil's claim that #5 was typicallly reserved for "eyes"). Even 7 years after, Galatea was used as the example "seer". Rafaela was probably more than proficient at it, as well as good in hiding her own aura as well as a very decent combatant. Altogether, she probably deserved more than #5, sure. As for me suggesting that the current or past top 5's were not as distanced from the rest as in Clare's time, it is just a hypothesis - but I think it is important to keep in mind when comparing the best warriors of previous generations.

    And Elcura, I do realize that Theresa was surprised at Priscilla's attack. The question is, how much of a factor would this surprise be? I just checked the sidestories... by the Rosemary fight alone it would seem that Theresa was not easy to catch off-guard both physically and mentally, and she does seem to have a knack for aura reading. So Priscilla might have tried to get the drop on her, but if she weren't incredibly fast I just don't think it would have worked - Theresa was armed, after all.

 

 
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