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    Quote Originally Posted by superman2x7 View Post
    Are you kidding me??? Clare is no match for Priscilla, even if Clare went all out and awakened to the point where she still had her consious she would still get ripped apart by Priscilla. I mean shes clearly much stronger than shes ever been, but Priscilla is on a different level, if they did end up meeting, Clare would be dead unless Raki interferes and somehow manages to get to Priscilla and clam her down (Somehow)

    I'm pretty sure the anime will end with thier confrontation, however i'm hoping the manga goes past that and we get the other two dwellers of the deep
    Wow, someone's underestimating Claire. Think about it, an uncomplete awakening of only 4 limbs (that weren't fully formed, they were still forming when Jeane came alone) is enough to completely RAPE the awakened ex-number 2. The fight didn't even last long, so whatever else she could do with that body is unknown. Now that was BEFORE the 7 year gap. Think of Claire's power before the gap and afterwards. Big difference wouldn't you say?

    If you were to take Claire after the gap, and have her completely awaken then Priscilla would not rip her apart. I'm not saying Claire would win hands down but she certainly wouldn't lose without a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria View Post
    Where did everyone get this part? Have I missed a whole chapter where she didn't kill little girls?
    Nope you didnt miss it.
    I couldn't find it too.
    I'm still flipping through all my volumes to find that quote. If I do find it, I'll let you know

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    Unawakened Clare after the gap can escape from Riful...

    Riful <<< Priscilla... to the point that throwing Dauf in as a meat shield wouldn'a helped.


    At this point... Awakened Clare would probably rape Easley and Luciella. Her massive speed and "arms with blades where all the blades Flash" would be too much to handle... for at least Luciella, cus all she had were tentacles.

    Anyway, that's mostly speculation, but I don't doubt that, if they were still alive and awakened, Clare v Luciella = Clare lives, Luciella breaks her back.
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    Swear... I remember that I saw someone saying that Priscilla never killed little girls in the anime... Check where Clare's fighting Riful. Maybe it's around there.
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    Imagine your a vampire who recently got sired and your pretty darn thirsty. Would you give a shit what you drink or who you drink from? Apart from Clare whom we have no IDEA why Priscilla didn't touch her, you can't possibly think Priscilla gave much thought into what she killed and who she ate now can you? Once shes turned hunger takes over and if shes going on rampage in north enough to cause Isley to come out I'm sure as hell it was catastrophic, much or worse than the scale of damage you see people fighting in DBZ blowing up cities in one single move etc. She's stronger than Isley so basicly you have a super powered yoma who can just easily tip her fingers on a building and itd collapse to bits. If you were Priscilla would you go around door to door to make sure your not killing little girls before you blow up buildings? Lets try and be sensible about this.

    Also, how can you measure Clare's strength compared to that of a Abyssal? sure she's shown us she's capable of amazing feats and I'm keen to see where her abilities and determination will take her next but Clare soloing Luciela? We all seen these Abyssal guys doing partial transformation without flinching an eyebrow while with Clare it took so much concentration and will power to contain herself from going nuts while transforming her legs into awakened legs. Still think Clare has the leverage against beings who can do the same with so much more ease and years of practice that probably exceed the time Clare was in her diapers? Luciela did have tentacles yes, but ones that can eat up just about anything including armour plating on Isley's body as well as the yoma materialized arrows Isley fired towards the sky which fell at who knows what velocity. Unless you're happy to say that Clare is close to being strong enough to pass off as a abyssal without awakening I wouldn't make such a hasty comment about her being stronger than any abyssals solo.

    Unawakened Clare after the gap can escape from Riful...
    Escaping is a big feat indeed. Wondered how she would do one on one? Also asked yourself why she escaped? Cos if she did go head on with Riful she knew she's not going to be walking let alone breathing by the end of it. Sounds logical?

    Riful = Luciela
    To be honest I don't know which ones stronger but one things for certain they're pretty much close to it in terms of power since both are an Abyssal. If Clare did meet Luciela even in her current form, I would imagine the best course of action for her would be to run away. I'd love to see how well she does this in a open field without the thick trees. I believe Riful didn't lose her purely due to Clare's awesome skill which did have a hand in her marvellous escape. Clare hid her Yoki pretty damn well, she can deflect Riful's initial blows without too much hassle and because her Yoki isn't detectable (Hell even Organization thought she was dead how would Riful detect her unless she attacked?) the trees made it even harder for Riful to spot her after the initial barrage of attacks failed.

    Even if Clare did awaken completely (which I sort doubt considering her tremendous efforts trying not to) unless she's on par with strength or more than Priscilla she's going to be a awakened noob. The other Abyssals had way more time to get used to their powers and probably grow stronger with time and all the experiences. Clare would have hard time trying to bridge that experience gap (which I know she's capable of as she shown us but against Abyssals? thats going to take a miracle) between herself as a unstable (Its her first time, I think she'd want to quench the hunger first + super confused at her state??) awakened being and a Abyssal who is much calmer and collected as to what they are and their state of mind would be much stable than Clare.

    lol gosh it sounds like im ranting on and on.

    Eitherway. Priscilla is guilty fullstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
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    Swear... I remember that I saw someone saying that Priscilla never killed little girls in the anime... Check where Clare's fighting Riful. Maybe it's around there.
    I'm not suspecting that you seen it wrongly. But I think the English translated version that you had your hands on got it wrong. Maybe its good that you re-read that chapter of other versions as its a big point to be mistaken. It might affect the whole plot later.

    @Phantom Miria

    I agree with you that Priscilla is guilty. Crying and acting like a baby does not mean that she has not done wrong.

    Do you all really believe that Priscilla has lost her memories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hynavian View Post
    I agree with you that Priscilla is guilty. Crying and acting like a baby does not mean that she has not done wrong.

    Do you all really believe that Priscilla has lost her memories?
    While i agree that she is guilty, I do not think that we can't just forget about scenes with her tears. They are suggesting that her personality is not just a simple soul of a merciless slayer after all.

    It can be that she has split personalities or something like that, or that she can't control her huger while in yoma form. Anyways, she seems to be much more complex character then any typical evil monster from some banel manga.

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    If you want complex I think Riful is one of a kind.

    Crying doesn't make her anymore innocent than a rampaging homicide. The matter of guilty or innocent really is like the situation Can't Cry over Spilt milk. Priscilla is a sinner, contemplating and crying about it won't help her escape the deeds already committed unless there was a way to bring the dead back to life and undoing her wrongs. Sadly thats not possible without these.


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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    While i agree that she is guilty, I do not think that we can't just forget about scenes with her tears. They are suggesting that her personality is not just a simple soul of a merciless slayer after all.

    It can be that she has split personalities or something like that, or that she can't control her huger while in yoma form. Anyways, she seems to be much more complex character then any typical evil monster from some banel manga.
    You can't say she's a complicated personality because she occasionally cries. I could cry because I forgot to buy some sour skittles on the way home, and that wouldn't make ME complicated. When she awakened, she knew what she was doing, she was so calm and collected about it. She enjoyed doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom Miria
    Crying doesn't make her anymore innocent than a rampaging homicide. The matter of guilty or innocent really is like the situation Can't Cry over Spilt milk. Priscilla is a sinner, contemplating and crying about it won't help her escape the deeds already committed unless there was a way to bring the dead back to life and undoing her wrongs. Sadly thats not possible without these.
    I never said that crying marks her as innocent. And i never said that she is not sinner.
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    If you want complex I think Riful is one of a kind.
    Riful is one of complicated characters here. Not only one though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    You can't say she's a complicated personality because she occasionally cries. I could cry because I forgot to buy some sour skittles on the way home, and that wouldn't make ME complicated. When she awakened, she knew what she was doing, she was so calm and collected about it. She enjoyed doing it.
    She doesn't just ocassionally cry for some unknown reason. She cries pitying her enimies. It is not a typical behaviour for any evil character.

    Yes, when she awakeden she killed her comrades with pleasure. She knew what she was doing and enjoyed it.

    What makes her complicated is how she can mercilessly kill in her awaked form and then cry in human form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    Wow, someone's underestimating Claire. Think about it, an uncomplete awakening of only 4 limbs (that weren't fully formed, they were still forming when Jeane came alone) is enough to completely RAPE the awakened ex-number 2. The fight didn't even last long, so whatever else she could do with that body is unknown. Now that was BEFORE the 7 year gap. Think of Claire's power before the gap and afterwards. Big difference wouldn't you say?

    If you were to take Claire after the gap, and have her completely awaken then Priscilla would not rip her apart. I'm not saying Claire would win hands down but she certainly wouldn't lose without a fight.
    @superman2x7
    thats exactly what i ment. Clare was strong enough to kill number 2 without any problems after she releases her 4 limbs. plus 7 years have passed.

    if clare would fully awaken, she should be strong enough to kill an abyssadly one. (teresas flesh apparently causes this strength boost and fully awakening is much more then releasing only 4 limbs)

    That 's maybe not enough to kill pricilla since she only carries teresas flesh, but she could at least give her a fight for a short time

    well anyways clare would not fully awaken. my guess is that the raki -clare- pricilla relationship will somehow take its part in the final battle.
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