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    Saizou is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    Trust me, it has definately crossed the minds of many scientist. damn video i was forced to watch.... =_=
    Provide evidence that this is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    For now, science is limited by laws and regulations placed by the government, formed by people, who are influenced by morals. So, yes, science is limited by morals.
    That is true. However, you have still not specified the exact limits. What moral rules does cloning break?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    1) expensive
    2) inefficient
    3) low success rate atm
    These problems can be remedied by further research. For example, organ transplants were also very expensive and had a low success rate initially.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    4) who said it would function properly?!
    Biology and Medical science.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    Here is an article explaining cloning animals. (cloning animals/cloning organs is the same procedure, so yes.. it does apply)
    Wrong. Cloning organs is not the same thing as cloning an entire animal.
    I also see that you've taken this from here:

    http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresource.../cloning.shtml

    The same article aslo has this to say:

    "Scientists hope that one day therapeutic cloning can be used to generate tissues and organs for transplants."

    What you posted talked about reproductive cloning. Either you have a problem with reading comprehension, or you're dishonest. Either way, you fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scientists hope that one day therapeutic cloning can be used to generate tissues and organs for transplants.
    I did know that it was an expensive procedure. I said "millions." I fail to see why you had to question whether I knew it was expensive or not.
    Why then would you mention that research is expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    Sweden and USA have different populations. Sweden is relative stable. You know... one of those for every one person dead another is born. USA is exponential growing. We cannot afford to pay for that many people.
    And again you completely miss the point. Listen up: population size and population growth is irrelevant. In the US you pay more money per person than they do in Sweden. This means that socialized healthcare would be cheaper regardless of population growth.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    No, we cannot.

    It's not a matter of plug & chug numbers. It's a matter of knowing the population. Baby boom [after WWII] ringing any bells? There's more people retiring soon then any other generation.
    That is true for Finland and Sweden as well. Yet, somehow we manage to have socialized healthcare. Sorry, your attempt at doomsaying fails.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    There's definitely not enough money saved anywhere for them. Cause... any claim of the USA seriously having a "safe box" of money is a lie. Money is respent, reborrowed. We simply do not have billions lying around in a safe box for people.

    Any USA newspaper clipping loves to poke fun of Bush for this. Here's an example:

    Sure... we do have a GDP growth. But have you seen our debt? It's quite funny.

    Refresh the page. It gets funnier.
    The national debt is an argument for greater fiscal responsibility, not private healthcare. As for not having money, well how about you start taxing the rich and big business a bit more? You'll have to do so sooner or later anyway to pay back the national debt.

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    Bumping this since I actually have something on-topic to add.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/u...rm_4876366.stm

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