dear god thats scary...
Spain is seriously fucked up. But I already knew that.
@aikido and theabdicator : i know no anti semitic people personnaly, and don't think there are a lot....
there are some anti semitic acts, but it's more anecdotal than anything... there are more against muslims, and even more against catholics, but people just don't talk about it, especially for catholics...
all religions included, there are not a lot either.
about job security, i believe it is very IMPORTANT !
how can you plan what you want to do in the future if there is no security ??
even with a CDD it's really hard to rent an apartment... and banks don't lend money if your situation is not secure enough...
people need security in their work !
but security doesn't mean that you can't be fired !!..
jakko : the law in your state is clearly abusive, and these people should be fired, but it's not because this law gives too much security it has become dumb that security is bad
whoa... for whatever reason, I didnt know you were french shautieh. you might be the only thing going for your country... >.>
i kid, i kid...
why shudder. u sideded with the wise guy. "some people are wise. some are otherwise"
Originally Posted by Aikido
Can you elaborate on what the current situation is then? All I know is that the contract guarantees work for 2 years for a certain amount of money and that the contract can't be broken without significant reason for firing.
Is there a grievance filing procedure etc.?
I really don't think it's a huge problem with credit etc. Most people take out loans when they have stable jobs. That part is true. But the timing usually isn't right after college.
As for me, I know i'm not guaranteed a job after college. I'm not even guaranteed that i'll keep a job if I manage to get one. But the reason I'm not worried is because I know that in whatever I will be hired to do, I will do it good. Let the person who surfs on the internet during work get fired. I don't care. *shrugs*
and credit has other measures. Some people like to look at credit cards as a better indicator of reliability and stuff. And some companies also look at the viability of assets and the skills of a certain person as a credit record.
@aikido : yes i'm french ;p
mmhh... i'm not the best to speak about it... maybe zoik can explain things better than me
Originally Posted by TheAbdicator
i'll try quicly anyway :
today there are 2 kind of contracts :
- CDD (which i was speaking about earlier) : an employer hire someone for a determined amount of time (2 weeks, 1 month etc.)
it's usefull for business with temporary needs, and the employer can lengthen it by cumulating the CDDs, to a certain extent.. (it is NOT meant for the long term)
- CDI : doesn't have a limit as the CDD, ie if you are in CDI you can say you have a stable job. The employer needs to fire you if he doesn't want/need you anymore and give you the reason (good ones) for your dismissal ("i don't like your head" DOESN'T work )
also, he has to inform you 3 months (if i remember well) before the actual end of your job, so you have some time to look for another job, apartement etc.)
in fact there is also a 3rd kind (beside the CPE) which is the CNE : it's meant like the CPE, ie more "flexible" than the CDI, but only for small enterprises (less than 20 employees)
now the CPE :
it's intended for people under 25 years old to facilitate their employ (someone generally needs a professional experience to get a CDI)
in fact the CPE is more or less a weaken CDI for 1 year...
i was against the CPE in the beginning, but the president changed the 2 things that annoyed me the most, and now it's not all that bad.... (it's worth a try at least)
the 2 things were :
- it was not 1 year (which is quite a lot by the way) but 2 years before being sure to have a "stable" job -_- (2 years of uncertainty is way too much, not being sure to have a job from one day to another >.>)
- there was no obligation for the employer to notice his employee of the reasons of his firing.... (*you complain ?? you are fired*)
of course it's not a bother if your employer is someone good, but in the other case it's highly problematic...
and without these 2 things the demonstrations should stop because the CPE is not so bad anymore and should be given a try, but as i see it, some people like to bark XD
edit : about credit from banks, they won't help you if you don't have a stable enough job, so it's hard to have a loan to buy a car and etc. with a CDD .... (and if you want to pay a house, it's even harder ^^")
but the 2nd real problem is that people won't rent their appartments to you if you have only a CDD for 1 month, and the problem with the CPE is that you can be fired easily for a good amount of time, so it will be helluva hard to get a decent appartment even with a good job... (i love the word "helluva" XD)
it's already hard with a CDI, so unless you stay at your parent house or if they back you up you will have a hard time finding an appartment
Last edited by shautieh; 04-05-2006 at 08:27 AM.
hmm i guess i have less of an idea of what everyone is on about.. whats the cpe?