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    soulless_freak is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Default 9/11, Is the government covering up something?

    Interesting article, I have yet to read the book, but this caught my curiosity.

    Author Searches for Truth on Trade Center Collapse by Victor Thorn

    What if you discovered that the government?s ?official? explanation for the World Trade Center collapse on the morning of 9-11 was not exactly true? In addition, what if their ?official? version of events could be disproven solely on the basis of physics, mathematical equations, scientific formulas, physical evidence, and expert testimony ? without the use of a single ?conspiracy theory?? Would your perspective on 9-11 be dramatically altered?

    This is precisely what is illustrated in 9-11 on Trial, a book that shreds the government?s official story ? and credibility ? beyond repair. Did you know, for instance, that never before in the history of the world has a steel building collapsed due to fire? Yet on 9-11, three of them did just that in seven hours ? with WTC 7 not even being hit by an airliner.

    Furthermore, it takes a temperature of 2,795 degrees to melt construction grade steel, yet the highest temperature jet fuel can reach is 1,517 degrees. Plus, all the jet fuel burned off within two minutes of the towers being struck, while two independent studies proved that the fires within each tower never rose above 500-600 degrees. In fact, FEMA revealed in their final report that, ?The heat produced by burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapse.?

    Also, the WTC towers were designed to withstand the impact from a Boeing 707 (similar to a Boeing 767), and each floor was designed to hold 2,600,000 pounds beyond its own weight. Likewise, the steel used in these structures was rated to hold five-times its normal load. MIT professor Thomas Eager admitted as much when declaring, ?The impact of the airplanes would have been insignificant? in toppling the towers.

    Also, how do we explain the pools of molten steel which were found bubbling 70 feet beneath the towers five weeks after 9-11? Incidentally, a temperature of 5,182 degrees is needed to transform steel into a liquefied state. Do you think fires that FEMA admitted ?would have burned at, or below, temperatures typical in office fires? could have produced such extremes? Even NYFD audiotapes of firefighters who reached the South tower?s impact point reveal that they ?judged the blazes to be manageable? and were easily extinguishable in less than an hour.

    Even more interesting is the South Tower. Even though it experienced a less forceful hit than the North Tower and had smaller fires, it fell in only half the time of its counterpart (56 minutes). It takes five-times that long to cook a turkey! Plus, the South Tower?s cap, which initially tipped 23 degrees past vertical, suddenly reversed direction, then dropped vertically, defying Newton?s First Law of Motion.

    Most incriminating, though, is the resistance-free speed (a mere 10 seconds) at which the towers collapsed. To put this matter into perspective, if you were standing atop the WTC towers, and at the precise moment when they began to fall you dropped a football over the side, you and the football would have hit the ground at nearly the exact same moment. In other words, 200,000 tons of steel, 425,000 cubic yards of concrete, and all the walls, desks and floors provided no resistance whatsoever. Not only does such a collapse defy Galileo?s Law of Falling Bodies, it is physically impossible unless all resistance was removed via a controlled demolition.

    Of course there?s more (seismographic data, the ridiculous pancake & truss-bolt theories, and the complete vaporization of nearly all the concrete into a fine microscopic dust), but I?ll close with this question: considering that 9-11 was the most traumatic event of the 21st century, if there was even a one-percent chance that the government?s official story was false, shouldn?t we do everything humanly possible to discover what the truth ultimately is? Because, if the search for truth and justice doesn?t matter to us in regard to 9-11, what does?
    So what do you think? Is something not being told?
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    Yes. I think there is something we are not being told.

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    I figure something isn't being told too.
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    Whoa, creepy, if it's all true.

    But if it is, then what guarantee do we have that the government even knows?

    The only thing I know is that I believe gold doubled in value after the WTC collapse


    Mysterious, no?

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    that kinda reminds me of kotor, when that machine asks you to answer questions to make sure your evil enough to be the dark lord and one of the questions are:

    "your country has grown stale and your people are becoming dissatisfied with your leadership. You acquire information that there is going to be an attack on your country and you have the power to stop it, what do you do?
    A) stop the attack
    B) let the attack happen "

    if you let the attack happen many will die, but you will then be able to unite your people against a common foe. they will be too busy with war and revenge to remember the problems they had before. if you were to stop the attack before it happend no one would know of the danger that they avoided and would continue to become more dissatisfied and the country would further stagnate.

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    In part I of No Arabs on Flight 77, I presented evidence from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), that there were no Arabs on American Airlines Flight 77. This doesn?t really jibe with the official story, so someone isn?t telling the truth. This list itself is suspect because there is a special group of ?bone guys? that are called in whenever the government needs an ?adjustment? to their story.

    About "bone guys": No, we're not talking folks that hang around secret Ivy League fraternaties. On May 31, 2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 'bone guys':

    "...When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in. The bone guys read skeletons like intricate topological maps. Sometimes they can make identification from a skull fragment the size of a quarter. They can read race in the teeth and gender in the brow. They can tell you who had an asymmetric nose.

    They can tell you who may have been a factory worker, because bones grow more pronounced to accommodate certain muscles, and who may have been a weaver or a tailor, based on grooves in the teeth where thread was held...."

    In other words, these were the fellows who helped tidy up the government?s story at Waco and are ?studying? the Sept 11th remains as well.

    By now you have probably heard that many of the ?hijackers? named by the FBI are alive and well. The Information Times, an on-line publication, reported that Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press after meeting with President George W. Bush on Sept. 20: "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened."

    According to The Orlando Sentinel, the Saudi Arabian embassy confirmed that four of the five mentioned by Al-Faisal -Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alo mari and Salem Alhazmi-are not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington. (source: Christopher J. Petherick - American Free Press)


    From photos of all of those that perished on that flight, it is clear that none are even "Arab looking" This seems to rule out Arabs sneaking aboard under assumed names.

    If you are familiar with Operation Northwoods (see Body of Secrets by James Bamford or thumbnail description here) then you know that the National Security Agency (NSA) has both the will and ability to orchestrate an ?operation? such as Sept 11th if they decided it was for the ?greater good.? Not saying that they choose to conduct September 11 attack, but they clearly have the ability. According to Bamford, "Operation Northwoods" was not planned by any ?rogue element? but proposed by General Lemnitzer, himself, and then thankfully spiked by President Kennedy. Think also of FDR?s foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor as exposed by Robert Stinnett in his book Day of Deceit. Stinnett actually agrees with FDR?s decision to allow it to happen.

    Brush up on the Luisitania hoax, the USS Liberty cover-up, the Gulf of Tonkin fiction, and the Gulf War I falsified satellite photos, etc. if you are not convinced that government officials are capable of stretching the truth (for our own good, of course).

    It is very hard to keep a secret of this gravity. One possible way to cut down chatter is to eliminate as many witnesses as possible, preferably during the crime itself.

    Critics of ?conspiracy theorists? have tried to nullify talk of remote controlled planes as being the talk of lunatics. Global Hawk (Raytheon) is a large military aircraft that has flown 7000 miles without a pilot as discussed in this Air Force public affairs article, and is being widely used in the current Iraq war.
    Some of this is speculation, but I'm throwing another log on the fire.
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    God I hated/loved those questions, but they brought up really important points. Something's odd about that though...

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    This is a prime example of coming in with a predetermined conclusion and then finding evidence to support it.
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    this is what i know from fact (my grandfather was an engineer that helped build the towers) is that unlike ALL other steel frame buildings the WTC towers were special.. instead of having a central core to support the floors, the WALLS of buildings supported the floors so that the optimal amount of office space was created. when the planes hit the towers they penetrated the support system of the buildings and unsecured the floors... when one of the floors collapsed a domino effect occured causing all the floors to collaps on top of each other and bringing the building down... the fire DID NOT bring the building down but it did severly reduce the strength of the already penetrated the floor supporting outer walls.

    anyways that how my grandfather supposedly explained that to me... he said he called the news station to tell them they had it wrong but you know the media...


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    That's how I understood what happened...

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