Thread: Muhammad cartoons controversy

i agree that both sides r wrong, the danish press should've considered n expected an ugly outcome, what with taking the situation of our world's current events in2 consideration. however like many have said n more will say, they had a right 2 freedom of expression n of the press. however this is still quite a debatable subject because most of the press work under a certain code of conduct, plus u can't just say the pple have a right 2 freely express themselves in any way. i don't know what the danish legal system is like but i mean a journalist wouldn't b allowed 2 just publish an article saying fuck u.
then again, as 4 the muslims that have unleashed their fury, i guess u can say that the danish newspaper didn't actually go as far as 2 write fuck u. of course what was published is still offensive, but the violence is a bit extreme ay. 2 wrongs don't make a right, so just chillax pple. i can't count the number of times i've seen cartoons where the buddha or jesus has come up, if u look at family guy alone i'm sure there's been a few episodes. although i guess u could argue that because they're from a christian based country, it's different if they make fun of their own things.
no1's really gonna win this debate actually, so i'd like 2 go off on a tangent n say something else:
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Listen to me. I live Denmark, and the problem isn't that the cartoons were published, because the first month after they were published nothing happened, but when some of the Muslim priestess travelled to the middle east, where they made a lot "provoganda" like told things about Denmark that isn't true and showed cartoons that were even worse then the ones who were published in Jyllands-posten. By doing that, the priestess started the conflict. A conflict that is not about the cartoons but about the Muslim peoples depression and suppression, and all the feelings in that is heading toward Denmark because they cannot go against their own regime. In addition, because Denmark is a little country it is easy for them to demonstrate against us. That is like the whole thing like we I Denmark knows it.
My own posture is that it is a shame that the Muslim priestess travelled to the middle east and told "lies" because the whole situation should have been kept inside Denmark that would have been best. In addition, I think that the Danish government has acted right.
In addition, the conflict must not affect the relationship between the Muslims in the west and us, the people they live among.

The last thing is that to end the conflict we (Denmark) must try to make a dialog with the Middle East, and solve the matter by diplomacy that is the only way the conflict can end without more violence.

ps. sorry if my english is a bit bad

I agree. The cartoons were published in September for crying out loud. Maybe it's self-righteous assholes using religion for their own good. Just speculation though, I'm just follong BBC, haven't read up on the origin except for dates.

Originally Posted by dog8homework

Does anyone actually know Danish legality? I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that America is one of the only countries in the world that has an established clause defending the freedoms of speech and press. Besides, these institutions were placed there to provide an outlet for CONSTRUCTIVE political and social critique. Those cartoons were needlessly inflammatory and should have been pulled at any of the numerous checks before publication.

I think you're right that the US is one of the few places that actually protects freedom of speech, probably because it is relatively young and was able to start with more 'modern' rules. In Europe most countries actually have really old laws concerning blasphemy towards the Christian God, Jesus and the Bible but not any other religious figures. These laws aren't taken seriously anymore but there are still odd occasions when they are brought up, such as the banning of the comic book about Jesus in Greece a few years ago and the imprisonement of the artist (I think they appealed and stopped the ban though). Denmark seems very liberal though, its cartoons are quite well known for often being controversial. Denmark also has a very small population of Muslims in a pretty much atheist society, and guess what? There are a lot of people who really hate Muslim immigrants living there.

And I agree that the cartoons shouldn't have been released; no one can be surprised that there is violence over these (oh my God, violence in Palestine? Syria?!? I always thought those places were so peaceful and everyone could get on with each other )

I don't think its really right for the rioting thats happened, but there would be no cause for that if they hadn't come out. Also, if those cartoons came out in Palestine by local illustrators the illustrators would have been sentanced to death by their laws, so in a way you can see why they reacted like that. I just hope it doesn't get any worse.

And yep they came out ages ago, but they've been published a few more times in other European papers recently and I think thats the bigger problem.

Originally Posted by Ruby

And yep they came out ages ago, but they've been published a few more times in other European papers recently and I think thats the bigger problem.

it has been published in other countries, but i don't think it's the main problem...
riots were already happening, and propaganda in some countries had been done.

furthermore, the other newspapers published it to help protect free speech which is a pillar of democraty, as the original danish newspaper was being condemned from everywhere...

I say more power too the cartoonists.

If you think on it objectively today, the religion is simply being used as a shield for terrorist activities. Any of the real 'true-believers' the ones who actually care about their religion, and follow all of it, such as the itty bity parts about NOT FUCKING KILLING OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE!!!, then you can feel completely justified in bringing to light the fact that the religion of Islam IS used as fucking hidey-hole for terrorist activities. I mean come ON people, they've fucking declared Jihad on the 'Great Satan' HUNDREDS of fucking times.

This is not stuff to play around with, decisive action should be brought to bear against people who shield themselves against outside inspection, then openly abuse them when they bring to bear the weapons available to them.

In case you didn't notice, I really. REALLY. REALLY. Fucking hate terrorists, and especially the masterminds behind these plans, which I shall remind you, are the ones trying to organize resitance against those cartoons and caricatures.

Why attribute the idiocy of one to the the many?

The press should be free to publish whatever it damn well pleases. There's not a damn thing wrong with the cartoons in question. Muslims complain that they're being stereotyped and then they act like this? And people wonder why I can't stand the Middle East OR religion in general...

First thing first, it is sacrilege in Islam to iconize thier prophet, it's in the Koran. The extremist are a very tiny fraction of follower of Islam, styreotype like that is rash and dangerous. Usually I'm the type that say fuck politic correctness, but this cartoon obviously cause farther damamge to the fragile relationship between the west and middle east.

People got nuts when committing sacrilege agianst Christanity, and Islam's follower are more devote to thier religion as a whole then christian. It no wonder the Muslim community are piss off. The editor should have research better before allowing such a cartoon to be printed.

Originally Posted by Sesshu

First thing first, it is sacrilege in Islam to iconize thier prophet, it's in the Koran. The extremist are a very tiny fraction of follower of Islam, styreotype like that is rash and dangerous. Usually I'm the type that say fuck politic correctness, but this cartoon obviously cause farther damamge to the fragile relationship between the west and middle east.

People got nuts when committing sacrilege agianst Christanity, and Islam's follower are more devote to thier religion as a whole then christian. It no wonder the Muslim community are piss off. The editor should have research better before allowing such a cartoon to be printed.

1) The way I've always heard it, the Qu'uran never specifies no images of Muhammad; that's just one interpretation. Plus, it was Muhammad who came up with the whole "don't worship me so no pictures" idea...thus it's not technically the word of Allah. That is to say, the Muslims are wrong to be angry about an image of him.

2) It's just a cartoon. It didn't hurt anyone.