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    Quote Originally Posted by Schiljo
    i think soulless just found the cure for aids and a couple other diseases

    kill all infected people
    his cure is not very good, because there will always be diseases.... the best cure would be to annihilate all humanity... (which is not a good solution, i think :P )
    and getting rid of people who are sick really is a nazi viewpoint... (holocaust is only a part of their scheme )

    and i'm against killing, more or less for the same points as aikido..
    but there are some times where i think killing is "allowed", ie self defense (and even more for others defense), for the same reason aikido also gave (he is my master XD) ; and also, if 2 people accept to abjure their basic rights to live, freely (by example if 2 persons agree to fight to death, which i find silly but martial artist are sometimes extremes), then why not...

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    Probably I shall say harsher things than Aikido. Killing is DEFINITELY WRONG. If you wanna argue my opinion with justified killing, let me ask you first with an example.. someone shot your father, and you kill that person, that person's brother killed you, your brother killed that person, and it keeps going on and on. When will that end?
    About self defence reason.. if it's possible, would you kill someone just because you're defending yourself? Which one is better? knocking someone unconsious or killing someone? I know that sometimes, things can go worse than what you had thought. In that case, you have no control of your actions. I would never say that it's justifiable, since killing is never justifiable to me.
    Think about the aspect of killing. What you kill is a human. Once you kill someone, you basically take away his/her dream, his/her friends, his/her family, and last but not least, his/her life. Taking away someone's dream is already a cruel thing to do. Now, with taking a lot more aspects, would that make it justifiable?
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    ...I'm not a great person. I wouldn't necessarily kill someone if I didn't have to - mostly because I don't want to be sent to jail for life. Still, if I thought the benefits outweighed the consequences... who knows? I can't say I'd feel all that bad about the family or whatever, or about taking away dreams. Not that I've ever killed anyone... but I've actually thought seriously about questions like "would you kill someone for a million dollars" and I can't always say no. Maybe I'm just not quite sane or something, but I don't feel that kind of guilt.
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    id kill someone for a stack of waffles...

    maybe id share one with the victim's family to say im sorry, but only one!

    "Grapes and grapes!"

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    Think about yourself. You have a story, a story of your past, your friends, thoe who stood by you, those who stood against you, those who loved you, those who hated you. A story of rich expereiences and boundless potential. If that person is killed, the story is ended. He is gone. Forever

    That's why I restrict my killing to CS.

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    I think killing is wrong, and also if you are the killer, the act of killing damages you (the killer) mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Sharko
    let me ask you first with an example.. someone shot your father, and you kill that person, that person's brother killed you, your brother killed that person, and it keeps going on and on. When will that end?
    this made me think of an interesting social anecdote. In old Northern European "barbarian" (I use the term loosely; many were more "civilized" than the Rome of the day, IMO) cultures, society was split into many small clans. Occasionally, because of one thing or another, people from different clans would kill each other (maybe in a drunken brawl). The way society dealt with this was clever. Rather than starting bloodfueds that would end in the annihilation of one or both clans (and maybe their "allied" clans; again loosely), the clan whose member was responsible for the killing would pay the victims clan a certain price in goods/livestock/etc. The amount was decided on by committee, with a number of standard guidelines.
    This is an alternative to killing. Its interesting the price societies put on the value of a life. Right now, the value of a life is approximately $10 million for economic/insurance purposes. Or, if you look at it another way, 20 years in prison-death penalty.
    I'm sure we could continue indefinietly like this, but the point is that the value of life is steep. And it is always a shame to throw away something of great value, transcending specific societies. As another example, lets say I burned the Mona Lisa; an object of great value. The repurcussions would be terrible and there would be an outcry from all over the globe. The taking of a life can be seen in a similar vein.


    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Sharko
    About self defence reason.. if it's possible, would you kill someone just because you're defending yourself? Which one is better? knocking someone unconsious or killing someone? I know that sometimes, things can go worse than what you had thought. In that case, you have no control of your actions. I would never say that it's justifiable, since killing is never justifiable to me.
    in philosophic arguments there is a convention called "fanciful examples." example: lets say that you had a gun to your back, and two children were standing in front of you directly in a line, and if you moved from the gun, it would shoot both the little children, and the world would end. ok...
    the same thing is true when you ask a question like "well, what if its kill or be killed." Now, im sure there are plenty of such examples, but for the most part (with some exceptions, i suppose) they will be fanciful. because the fact is, life doesnt work in absolutes. There is no such thing as a compartmentalized action/reaction in a vacuum-like state. Life works in grey areas; consequences can never be reduced so simply. In this sense, Sharko is exactly right. There are many, many alternatives/possible courses of action. Next time, give some context to examples that arent fanciful (directed at those who think killing can be justified).

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    Killing is something you shouldn't do but if your defending yourself and kill somebody...I say don't feel too bad. I personally beat someone up pretty bad while defending myself from a home invader. I couldn't feel a pulse so I thought he was dead turned out I suck at taking pulses cause he only had a concussion.


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    Killing Is Not Right Cuz U Dun Have The Right To End Sum1z Life Just Cuz U Think Its For The Best ... U Dun Own Them

    But If U Kill To Defend Urself Then I Wud Say That IS Acceptable ... Cuz I Wud Kill TO Keep Myself Alive
    Ur Sis From Hell ... SooSeH

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    Quote Originally Posted by SooSeH
    Killing Is Not Right Cuz U Dun Have The Right To End Sum1z Life Just Cuz U Think Its For The Best ... U Dun Own Them

    But If U Kill To Defend Urself Then I Wud Say That IS Acceptable ... Cuz I Wud Kill TO Keep Myself Alive
    Translation?


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