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    Default Re: do you believe in God?

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    well. do you? What is the nature of God? a creator? a shaper? omniscient? omnipotent? gone? God's purpose? and why do you think that? before you answer this question, actually think about your response. i know, its asking a lot. question the very reason you believe what you do. is it because thats how you were raised? because thats what you want to believe? faith? or just what you think would be the "cool" thing to think? I think a lot of people are aethiests just because they want to say they dont believe in God, but in reality, they havent thought about it at all. and after you write your response, read it over again. and see if thats what you really think. does what you wrote resonate with your instinct? and if it doesnt, delete it, and start again. or dont post. but no bullshit, cuz then youre just a pretentious, arrogant blowhard.

    Heres how I feel. I choose to believe in God. Its a matter of faith, for me. I consider myself an agnostic, so i dont know for certain in my own head if God exists or not. I choose not to decide one way or another. but, regardless, i have some sort of faith. my God is omniscient, but has no power to interfere. I believe in evolution. I do not subscribe to an intelligent design theory. I think that organized religion only separates people from God, beyond a certain point. but despite that, i do have faith, and that is something that science cannot account for. science shows us what powers operate on our earth. but the God i believe in does not do that. so how can science explain God? it cant. and it never will.

    and somehow, i think that too much science will only make us more like robots. and less like people. hope and faith are inseperable from our very nature. we have that for a reason. to my mind, its a reason that science cant explain.
    It is apparent to me that you are going through some huge decision in your life that would bring you to consider this. So I'll take this seriously and say that I was raised Roman Catholic, but I live with my own variations.

    God is, from a sociological perspective, the resultant of thousands of years of human philosophy. Can people live without god to give power to their ethics? Men have been spared and blood has been shed under His name, and yet that name is empty. A whisper on a wind that never blew. God is a force of change on this planet, as assured as the movement of glaciers over time and deterioration of the O3 later of our atmosphere. There is a certain solemnity witnessed at the mention of His name, that you find in no other situation. But most importantly, he is the Prime backer of the human code of ethics. He says "Do not kill", and millions of killers sheath their hatred. He says "Do not steal", and the shopkeepers find their inventory safe for the day. In the big picture, He does not have to exist to influence. But His influence is limited to those who have the time and patience to listen.

    So if you are thinking about your own personal beliefs, consider your motivation, your needs, and your background just as you consider the result of disbelief, the consequence.
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    screw all the theological bullshit and my personal belief that most religious leaders are too rich to actually be religious leaders (Jesus was poor as shit wasnt he... so why do we have millionaire preachers... yeah i thought so)

    i am undecided... logically and realistically theres no reason or proof that i should believe in God... until this question is answered... i ve been asking myself this since i was a child and ive never been answered cuz no one understands the question and no one seems to get how it pertains to religion, but trust me it does.

    If the Universe is expanding and by definition the Universe is everything, then what is it expanding in???


    until someone answers that ill chalk up life and existence on this planet as the inevitability of a probability that life would even exist in the first place...


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon

    If the Universe is expanding and by definition the Universe is everything, then what is it expanding in???
    In your question, the definition of the universe isn't important. The concept of eternal expansion just has to do with all matter distancing itself as the boundaries of the universe move further away.

    Remember the universe includes large areas of open space between the spatial bodies as well. Between our galaxy and Alpha Centauri's is a lot of empty space. There's literally nothing it in it, but that doesn't mean it can't get bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold-NiTe
    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon

    If the Universe is expanding and by definition the Universe is everything, then what is it expanding in???
    In your question, the definition of the universe isn't important. The concept of eternal expansion just has to do with all matter distancing itself as the boundaries of the universe move further away.

    Remember the universe includes large areas of open space between the spatial bodies as well. Between our galaxy and Alpha Centauri's is a lot of empty space. There's literally nothing it in it, but that doesn't mean it can't get bigger.
    well if there is a such thing as the end of the universe (in order for it to expand it has to be moving "away") are you suggesting that there is no physical end to the universe but instead just and infinite amount of empty space that matter itself is just moving outward from from a single point?

    ps... dont forget 90% of the universe is unidentified dark matter... produces alot of gravity you know


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
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    If the Universe is expanding and by definition the Universe is everything, then what is it expanding in???
    In your question, the definition of the universe isn't important. The concept of eternal expansion just has to do with all matter distancing itself as the boundaries of the universe move further away.

    Remember the universe includes large areas of open space between the spatial bodies as well. Between our galaxy and Alpha Centauri's is a lot of empty space. There's literally nothing it in it, but that doesn't mean it can't get bigger.
    well if there is a such thing as the end of the universe (in order for it to expand it has to be moving "away") are you suggesting that there is no physical end to the universe but instead just and infinite amount of empty space that matter itself is just moving outward from from a single point?

    ps... dont forget 90% of the universe is unidentified dark matter... produces alot of gravity you know
    No I'm not suggestion there is no physical end to the universe.

    Here is the Anistropy Probe's map from NASA based on radiant heat left from the big bang;



    Here are the facts it provides;

    * The universe is 13.7 billion years old
    * The universe is at least 78 billion light years across.**
    * The universe is composed of 4% ordinary matter, 23% of an unknown type of dark matter, and 73% of a mysterious dark energy. This is a confirmation of the so-called concordance Lambda-CDM model.
    * The cosmological scenarios of cosmic inflation agree with the observations, though there is an unexplained anomaly on large angular scales[2].
    * The Hubble constant is 71 4 km/s/Mpc
    * Current theories applied to the WMAP data indicate that the Universe will expand forever.***


    ** Given that, we assume it has BORDERS. Meaning no its not just the spatial bodies moving apart, rather, if the universe were a giant cube, which it isn't, then the walls of that cube are the 'walls' of the universe and they are moving apart.

    *** 2 of the big theories. Big Crunch and continuous expansion. Big Crunch is just the opposite of the Big Bang, the gravity of all matter etc. pulls back the 'walls' and forces everything back into a single point, a sort of mother of all stars. The other theory is what we both discussed, the gravity isn't enough and it just keeps expanding.
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    so basically im right back in square one

    ps i knew most of that stuff... ironically i wanted to be an astronomer when i was a kid


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    the question is "what is god to u?"

    someone believe that god is a person, an individual who created everything.
    some believe that god is just a super gigaton explosive that sets everything in action.
    more..but cant think of any ...

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    i dont believe in god, but i do believe in fact...which is kinda the same thing because you cant prove EVERYTHING...at least not yet anyways

    * Gvaz loves space talk ^_^

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    I don't believe in god. It's not because i think being atheist is cool or whatever, that's the conclusion i made when i was 14-16 years old. I was raised as a roman catholic. At that time, i read the Bible and then after many doubts about my faith started to get interested in other religions and their history. My conclusion was that god was created by societies - all groups in history, at my knowledge, had a god/goddess/gods - because humans need to feel as if there is a purpose for their existence. If you don't have any reason to be alive, no purpose, mission, destiny or whatsoever, why do you exist? "For nothing" not being a good reason to go on living, humans created the concept of god to explain their origins (and everything else they don't understand) and their existence. After reading about existantialism (Albert Camus and others) a few years ago, i have accepted some arguments of existantialism but have rejected others...
    Sorry for the bad english, i'm not really comfortable in explaining my thoughts in english >_<
    And sorry if i offended anyone, i have nothing against people who do believe in a god, whatever their religion is and i don't want everyone to think i'm trying to impose my "truth" to others. There are so many answers to Aikido's questions, just pick your own truth and live by it >_>

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    yeah, i do.


    i dont need a reason.

    i dont think you can break these things down to them.

    try it and you will fail.

 

 
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