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    Schiljo is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks
    Many disbelieved Jesus despite the fact that he was able to heal, raise the dead, walk on water, ect. miracles. He casted out devils, and people called him the devil. He claimed to be the Son of God and everyone quoted blaspheme. He was ultimately killed and crucified.
    sry baby but thats just wrong!!

    you didnt count the water to wine thing!! and you KNOW its my favourite!!!


    anywho i would post my opinion but i think people wouldnt appreciate it and since i dont like my head being torn off by a mad cpr im rather not gonna post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cor1313
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    I am agnostic, in the way that I don't believe in religion.
    That's atheism. Agnosticism means that you neither accept there is a God nor do you outrightly deny that one exists.

    A funny quote about agnosticism from "The Life of Pi" by Yann Martel ( i read it over the christmas vacation).

    I have to apologize if I misquote it though. My memory is hazy but anyway.

    "To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation."

    I don't have anything against agnostics but you have to admit that there is some truth in that.
    Why? Being skeptical does not cripple you in any way.
    Please reread the quote. I don't think you understand what it's trying to say.
    Choosing immobility is crippling oneself. However, it does not follow that choosing to doubt would cripple you in the same way. Anyway, I'd like you to explain what you mean in more detail.

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    In fact the Bible does not correspond better with history than any other mythological text. Of course, a grain of truth probably exists in the verses, but one cannot take the Bible at face value. Anyway, all of this is kind of besides the point. All I'm trying to argue is that the Bible shouldn't be interpreted literally.
    We're not taking it at face value. We're inspecting it here and right now. We're trying to study the plausibility of the texts.

    Now. Obviously, some parts of the Bible should not be taken literally. Where is the distinction that you would make?
    Indeed. Exodus is implausible, and the literal interpretation of several events (such as Moses parting the Red Sea the way the Bible describes it) are outright ridiculous. It is therefore obvious that a literalist interpretation of the Bible (i.e. that every word is true) is absurd. This is my whole point.

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    I'm saying that a contradiction exists in the verses. If the Bible is not interpreted literally this can be explained in many ways (different authors, dramatic effect, etc.), but if the Bible is interpreted literally, the contradiction cannot be explained, since both accounts would have to be true at the same time.

    Trying to explain away the contradiction by saying that Isaac was Abraham's only true son is a semantic distinction, and an entirely arbitrary attempt to ignore the contradiction itself.
    It isn't ignoring the contradiction. It's facing it head on. It's sort of like "This shape is a rectangle" then someone says "This shape is a square". A contradiction is made. Ignoring the contradiction would be flat out saying both are true but we are clearly trying to provide explanations to the problem.
    No. Interpreting "only begotten son" as "only true son" is entirely arbitrary. This creates a contradiction if one chooses to view the Bible as infallible.

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    as it says in the most confusing Principia Discordia

    "1. There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess. There is no Erisian Movement but The Erisian Movement and it is The Erisian Movement. And every Golden Apple Corps is the beloved home of a Golden Worm."

    and to add to the confusion

    "5. A Discordian is Prohibited from Believing What he reads."

    so I'm pretty confused.
    adopted by 1cor1313

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1cor1313
    Yes. we had cleared that up already Aikido.

    Anyways, what is your take on this bible argument Aikido?
    well, yeah, but i liked my definition better, and someone asked, so i responded. but sorry if it was redundant.

    id like to start by saying that I am probably one of the few who has actually bothered to read every single post in this thread.

    ... ok. im going to keep this short. i do not believe that the bible can be read as a historical text. I mean, yes, there is certainly a lot to learn, but everything has to be taken with a grain of salt. Granted that the bible was written over a long period of time (the exact length is arguable), contradictions are bound to exist. I mean, its like telephone (the game). the bible should be read like any other philosophic text; look for the messages, but understand that they do not have any more or less validity than any other. that is something that you have to decide for yourself.

    granted, im Jewish, so the bible isnt exactly my religious text, but i would say that same for the "Old Testament."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayangelus
    I know a kid at my school, who is thinks there is less than a 1% chance of god existing, and even if god does exist, christianity has gone way off topic, yet his parents still make him attend mass. As for me, my mom believes in god, my dad and me aren't sure, and 3 of us believe that even if god exists, his answers are not with the pope and such. no clue about CTB.

    Anyways, I have 1 thing to ask, that kinda questions god's existence.

    why has he not come down to earth, to get over all this conclusion?

    For example, why not just come down here, and tell people what is the true religion, or in other words who got it right, or just give us a bible that he wrote, that gives us all the answers? Also, why doesn't he come down to stop all the wars. Most soldiers would rather leave the army that to go against god's will. There are a ton of things he could achieve, yet he doesn't come down here. Only posibility I can think off is that
    1. god doesn't exist
    2. god doesn't give a shit about us
    3. god enjoys watching all these wars
    4. god is too lazy to interfer
    5. god has never come up with the idea of coming down here

    To all philosophers and believers, can someone please answer?
    Aiya...Well...Why should God come to earth? If god gave us the free will to choose between good and evil, why should he need to beat us over the head with His majesty? ...terrorize us with his moral presence? What sort of free will would we really be able to exercise if we knew that a righteous God was sitting over our shoulder so to speak? Also if we accept that God is outside of time, a PHYSICAL dimension, then we are in some ways already with Him. It creates a rather interesting perspective because how can we really think beyond the dimensions that comprise our reality?

    Also, personally I tend to look at the Bible as a loose record of human developement. The Old Testament as childhood and the New as a sort of coming of age. When we are young, our parents just say 'Do this', 'Don't do that' with the only reason being 'Because I said so'. The New Testament brings foward the idea of the Golden Rule. Do unto others... All the original commandments can easily fit into this simple rule. It is all about how we treat one another. Actually this rule is somewhat vital. Without the concepts of behavior and trust tied in this society itself would degrade to a frightening point. If God has already given us the tools to choose how to live and act in our world, what real reason does He need to come back? If life is a test, why would the teacher walk up to your desk and give you all the answers? In theory it's open-book anyway...

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    It\'s called tradition. Jyuu has completed the Rite of Deletion, he can now become a man.

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    the truth is:it really doenst matter if u think "i dont blieve in him or not" he will still be there,and in the end all that say that "i dont blieve in him" are all a bunch of hipocrites that keep struggling saying that GOD is for losers and all,but still struggles in the mind asking sort of questions like if he exited why..bla,bla,bla.And all of u(Do NOT deny it)says omigod ,and after a lot of research i came to a conclusion,u dont say that cause u are used to, or cause of habit or any goddamn other thing,its bcause subconciously u blieve in him.Even if u dont think im right that is a fact,i did a test with abt 150 atheu plp here and if it whernt for the 100% of them ending up in the same thing(although they all denied and talk in different ways(edit okay this didnt make sense).Just think abt it yourself,and questions like why does god dont give a fuck abt this world that come up the most of peepz out there,are simple questions that can be answered,god does give a fuck abt this world its just that u are blind to some fact and there is a thing called free will so he cant really interfere even if he wanted to cause hes perfect if he interfered he would contradict hes own laws and it would make him imperfect its simple as that and god that is a GOD CANNOT be imperfect.

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    I was curious about this for long time,and I want to ask a question to everyone who believs in god:
    Why do you think he exist?


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    Quote Originally Posted by angra
    the truth is it really doenst matter if u think u dont blieve in him or not he will still be there,and in the end all that say that doesnt blieve in him are all a bunch of hipocrites that keep struggling saying that he dont blieve but still struggling in the mind asking sort of questions like if he exited why..???bla,bla,bla,and all of u Do NOT deny it says omigod ,and after a lot of research i came to a conclusion that u dont say that bcause u ae used to or cause of habit or any goddamn other thing its bcause subconciously u blieve in him.Even if u dont think im right that is a fact i did a test with abt 150 atheu plp here and if it whernt for the 100% of them end up in the same thing(although they all denied and talk in different way).Just think abt it yourself,and questions like why does god dont give a fuck abt this world that come up the most are simple questions that can be answered like this god does give a fuck abt this world its just that u are blind to some fact and there is a thing called free will so he cant really interfere even if he wanted to cause hes perfect if he interfered he would contradict hes own laws and it would make him imperfect its simple at that and god that is a GOD CANNOT be imperfect.
    umm...one more time please...with more periods and even some complete words....yeah...especially the words part.

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    I really want to reply to Coolpup's Jesus love, but I don't have the time. I really really wish I could convey all of my knowledge in a simple-text 12-font internet post, but it's not that simple. I don't care if people believe in God or not. Either they end up wasting their whole life in futility, or they avoid a bitch of a life. Whatever. What pisses me off is how Christianity is a force of nature, that scours the world searching for victims. Missionaries are dicks. I met a woman on the bus who screamed at me when I told her that I was atheist. She told me that my sins would be my downfall and that I would burn eternally. All I can say is that I hope she is dieing of Emphyzema right now.
    Coolpup, you can deny it, but the truth is that missionaries have no right in other countries. Imagine if you had never heard of God. Imagine that you were also uneducated and married with children. Now imagine that someone who clearly has a better education shows up and tells you that you are fucked if you don't repent. It's pretty damn hard to call them a liar, especially because Christians are so intent on their beliefs. Missionaries are the equivalent of viruses that spread throughout the world, seeking unsuspecting "cells" to infect.
    No other religion in the world forces itself into other peoples lives. Judaism is, for the most part, a birth right. If you don't have a bar-mitzvah, then you're not a real Jew. Buddhism is a peaceful means of enlightenment that has no forceful will whatsoever. I dunno about middle eastern religions.......but it's pretty clear that nothing is as severe as Christianity.
    If there is a God, I am openly proclaiming that I hate him. I can't stand all of the people I see, and all of the things I feel. I hate IRC. There is nothing on earth that frustrates me more. I hate that chode AKofC. He needs to fucking leave me alone. I am a hateful person. I really hope there is a god, Coolpup. It would be really nice not to die.

    Oh, and I seriously envy your conviction. I would love to be able to put my faith in something so truely, as you do. Never change, and never give up.

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    Actually, Noah reportedly lived for 300 years, due to the fact that people in the old times were supposed to live a lot longer than normal. Scientists believe this is because the calendar changed gradually overtime, although Christians say it is because God is pissed at us, so he is shortening our life length. In reality, it probably took Noah 10 years, tops, to build that Ark, although we now measure time differently. Anyways, it seems illogical that
    a). Nobody else would have a boat ready and on hand, and
    b). that nobody would have the sense to cling to Noah's ark and do their best to climb aboard.
    If soembody had a boat, it would not be hard to make a slanted canopy or to pan out the water. Christianity is flawed, but Coolpup, you can defend it all you want. I will never cease to answer your retorts, however.

 

 
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