The Feedback Thread.

[Cold-NiTe]

As of late, I among others have noticed a change in attitude in our dealings with newer members. This is to be expected in some cases, as we grow in size, so too can our actions as a group become chaotic and nebulous. However, I shudder to think that we have become unforgiving. There was a time when new members were respected as any other, because we all intrinsically understood, that at some point, we had all been new. So we extended a helping hand to those newer than ourselves. Now however, it seems that we have never been less forgiving, and are perhaps on the verge of further devolution.

I'll get to the point, I want to know, and I am not the first to ask this, and nor will I be the last, what you, the newer members, think about our attitudes towards you? Some of you have already put your answers forth, and I ask that you place them here as well. Does the term Veteran that is so often thrown back and forth seem to you, as it does to others, to be an elitist thing?

This isn't a request for feedback on StopTazmo, but for feedback on the StopTazmo community. Everyone is invited to participate, not just new members. This thread is a direct response to Martyr's posing the question to some of us in IRC.

~Cold-Knight
Holy Sentinels

[martyr3810]

This thread is a direct response to Martyr's posing the question to some of us in IRC.

And for the record I think we're getting elitist. Which is a bad trend.

[Cold-NiTe]

I fear this is a matter of mentality and perception. Who is a criminal and who is a victim? You can't label people in this sort of a situation. The best you can do is identify a problem and offer a solution. The worst thing that could happen to this thread is if it suddenly became finger pointing. "So and so has been doing this and I think this whole thing is his fault". To make sure this thread maintains it's constructive nature, this is something we ought to bear in mind.

[Volvogga]

Once in a while, someone gets overly dumped on for a minor mistake, and (it seems) for being new here. Most of the time, however, members are resonable and give fair warning. The warning may warrent that the community doesn't open up to you as fast, but at least the point has not been reached that you are compleatly alinated.

However, for major mistakes that are clearly prohibited in the rules, the attitude is different. Burning at the stake is imminent for those who commit the hanous crimes. Is this nessisarily a bad thing? I really don't think it is, and keep in mind that I am still relatively new and am of this mindset. Rules are posted as both globably (for the whole site) and (for most sections) localy (rules that pertain specificly to that section of ST). I don't think it is asking that much for those that are new to read them before posting.

I go to Tech Support a lot. In that section, there is a rules thread with one post, that has one commandment, "Do not post questions about problems related to this site here." Yet, despite this, half of the new threads there are along the lines of, "I can't DownLoad off of Mirror 5!" Now, there are some, that when called on the fact that they did not read the rules, that will appologize for the error (and I think that this shows a lot for the poster), but most don't seem to (and I grant that sometimes the thread is locked before any such chance arrives).

So the question is, "Is this an eletist thing to do?" I don't think so. I think this is mearly a response by those who see this as a attack on the integrity of the fourms. Sometimes the responses are a little extreme for the crime, but for the most part, I think it has been alright. There are always exceptions, and always will be.

And remember... an edit to a post to appologize for a mistake (such as doubble posting), or a new post after being called on it to appologize does tell alot about your character, in my opinion.
Searching is also good.

[Gaban]

I agree with whatever Cold Nite says...

[Cold-NiTe]

Well I certainly appreciate your vote of confidence. But don't hesitate to vote and voice what you know of the other forums, like the One Piece forum and other places. My knowledge covers about 4 sub forums at best I'd say. I can't assume everything's the same in the other forums, since they are largely autonomous.

[Brimstone]

An increase in n00ds is a good thing for stoptamo. And i always try to be kind and helpful when i can. bur somtimes seeing the same error repeated can get annoying.

I dont think that the vets are too harsh on the n00bs, ithink it was in the super soaker flamethower thread a n00b flamed another n00b and triple posted. S/he was not flamed by the vets (even though s/he was looking for a flaming).

N00bs should also take the time in learning the rules of the forum. When i started i was a complete n00b, and made some mistakes, i never felt that anyone was "out to get me".

[Gaban]

Well I do think this community has become to strict and unforgiving. But I don't know, with 30 thousand plus members it may have come to that.

Being a mod myself (in other forums such as this), I always PM the members for infractions, seldom locking or deleting their posts. Even though the question is posted in the wrong forums, or people asking stuff that already have been answered in another post..

You know, sometimes these new members are actually new to forums such as this, they don't know about search functions, or forum rules. Give em a break I say...Guide them nicely, no need to flame them...

[Brimstone]

dont you think that somtime flamming is needed.

like for serial offenders.
there was a member called luvhinamegaphone, this n00b used to spam the whole forum full, not contributing to anything to the threads.

then at one point members told him what they thought about of his tactics to fill his post bar. it was abit harsh.

i have not seen him since.

[1cor1313]

I think we've only been asses to the people who don't respect us in the first place.

We haven't reached the point where random vets post in the New members thread to flame n00bs. Or when we flame people who post in the wrong section. (cept for that one guy DarkBoiz who was an ingrate and that other guy xxang who was a complete ass for ignoring the warnings) I mean, new people like Yingwie and Kiana were new people who posted in the wrong section and we were nice about it to each other. You should see the pm's we traded

All in all, i think i like the direction the Chit chat section is going to at least. When Jyuu was here in the first few months it was a dictatorship with overly harsh rules and when he relaxed the rules, the people became more or less autonomous and self regulating.

I for one do not believe we are better just because we've been here longer. I see any new person as someone who is a person and not some random idiot. I mean, if you look at other forums with the same amount of people, you would either see an uber harsh regulatory system or utter anarchy, i'm glad we were able to find a nice balance between it all.