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    Default Worse than Tazmo ever could be

    A Tale of Two Manga Readers

    Quote Originally Posted by cmertb
    Many know of a certain online manga reader named mangafox.com, which is owned by a certain New York-based company named NOEZ. It's the most popular manga reader currently, and it is estimated to rake in about 3,200 USD in ad revenue every single DAY. http://www.cubestat.com/www.mangafox.com This is a fine business model, because what they sell is FREE labor of countless scanlation groups which they use without asking for permission. Their site is run by numerous volunteer uploaders, administrators, moderators who also all work for FREE in the name of the community. Really, the only thing NOEZ has to pay for is hosting, which is only a fraction of the revenue. Nice profit margin, isn't it? But I guess Jacky Yung does need to maintain a certain lifestyle.

    But overall, Mangafox is a nice site that says they respect scanlator's wishes. If a scanlator group wishes for their content to be removed from mangafox.com, they comply. Well, except when the manga is popular enough to make a significant dent in the $3200 daily revenue, in that case, too bad, you greedy scanlator. Or scanlators can request that their releases are posted on Mangafox with a delay. And Mangafox will comply... well, again, except if the manga is popular enough to have impact on the Mangafox revenue. But otherwise, it's a fine honest scanlator-friendly site.

    But then, there's a bad apple among online manga readers named mangahere.com. Definitely nothing like the upstanding Mangafox. They don't respect the scanlators at all. They host any manga they feel like. They don't honor any delay periods. They take beautiful images that people have put so much work into and haphazardly slap their own watermarks on them, as if they're the ones who produced them. They take out scanlator credit pages to hide the fact that someone else worked on the manga. Then, to rub it in, they claim on their Facebook pages that they're the ones who translate the manga, rather than the scanlators they steal from. Clearly, they're a terrible site that's completely different from Mangafox, which respects scanlators (sometimes).

    That's what I thought, but there were some misgivings. For example, why do ads for Mangahere appear on Mangafox, if they're supposed to be competitors? Why did these two unrelated sites share the same Google Analytics account for a while? In order to dispel these slanderous rumors, I decided to check the domain registration information. As expected, mangafox.com is registered to Noez Work, 1133 Broadway Suite 706 New York, New York 10010, and the admin is Yung, Jacky http://websites.faqs.org/mangafox.com/ But what about the dastardly mangahere.com? It's registered to Noez Work, 1133 Broadway Suite 706 New York, New York 10010 United States, and the technical contact is... Yung, Jacky jacky@noez.com http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=...CIIgNVaEyCQ==& domain=mangahere.com&prog_id=GoDaddy Wait, what's going on here? Does this mean that NOEZ only pretends to respect scanlators on Mangafox, and then turns around and rips them off blind on Mangahere to make up for lost revenue on Mangafox? Who can we trust anymore? My world is upside down...
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    Read it you lazy ass, it's amusing!

    I have forbidden Mangafox a long time ago to host my scanlations cause I knew they're earning up to 30 000$ every month with hosting free scanlations.
    But this news just takes the cake.

    Please relink this information to other forums, facebook sites, twitter, tumblr, reedit, 4chan, etc.

    Make this motherfucker go bleed out of his asshole.

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    I honestly wouldn't be surprised is all major reader sites are like this. Anybody with even a modicum of intelligence downloads from the scanlator or maybe even a DDL aggregator like ST (or dare I say it, even narutofan). The only reason I can see that someone would choose resized and water marked manga on a reader site is if they didn't know any better, so it's not hard to imagine that someone would try to take advantage of these people.

    Considering how many site Yung has, I'm surprised he hasn't had legal action taken against him (although I notice anime-eden doesn't exist anymore).

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    The problem is, and I think you are aware of this as well, that most leechers simply do not give a shit.

    I mean, they're already consuming this media for free rather than paying for it. Would they really care that a 3rd party is benefiting from the scanlators' work? Nope.

    As to why anyone would choose "resized and watermarked manga" on an online reader site, the answer is simple, really. One word: convenience. To be quite honest, if it's some shitty weekly shonen series that in all honestly is poorly translated/typeset anyway, I'm not going to bother firing up IRC, connecting to their irc channel and all that jazz. Or alternatively, navigating their website and waiting x seconds for rapidfire downloads.

    So yea, online readers are here to stay. And no matter how much bad press they receive, they will be here to stay.


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    Wish I thought of it first

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    Hoho~ I predict a fate similar to One Manga coming for mangafox...

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    I agree with be0wulf. I actually do what he says.
    Another aspect is, that I donīt want to download those things on my pc anymore... I know that thereīs very little chance to be sued or something, but I read (mostly) read the chapters only one time anyway.

    And I hate being forced to download them. But on the other side, I totally understand scanlators who donīt want to be fucked with ( mortenīs group for example, they donīt want their scans uploaded...but that happens anyway...).

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    Here's the thing blue, every single image, letter, video stream, etc that you view on the internet, is downloaded to your computer whether you like it or not. ALL data is downloaded to your computer and viewed locally. So even if you haven't deliberately saved a chapter or even a single page, it is still there in your temporary internet files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by be0wulf View Post
    As to why anyone would choose "resized and watermarked manga" on an online reader site, the answer is simple, really. One word: convenience. To be quite honest, if it's some shitty weekly shonen series that in all honestly is poorly translated/typeset anyway, I'm not going to bother firing up IRC, connecting to their irc channel and all that jazz. Or alternatively, navigating their website and waiting x seconds for rapidfire downloads.

    So yea, online readers are here to stay. And no matter how much bad press they receive, they will be here to stay.
    this this this this. it's so easy. if it's some shit like naruto i don't even read the words. i just click through and see how the chapter ends.

    it is nice that some scan groups host an online reader like mangastream. but when all of it is aggregated into one place why would you go to more than one site?


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    Its true. Were past the point where it matters. The internet is simply a place to 'get shit'. People don't give a damn where they get it from. And for the people that do care, they will figure it out a give credit where its due.
    People are fools for paying for it, but if their ignorant enough to do so, thats their problem.


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    I'm going to be completely honest. I think the only way to have any effect is to get all online readers shut down, period. I personally think people in general overlook how valuable online readers are to such a niche crowd, and don't realize how much of a godsend/luxury it is. It seems like it's a case of either we can have online readers or we can't.

    If we do continue to have them, too many people can make too easy and quick of a profit on them with ill intent. While if we don't have them, there's still the fact that others will continue to make money off other people's works but to a much lesser degree. Mainly because it would require people to actually make a real effort(somewhat) to getting manga again.

    This might seem crazy, but really think about it. Before online readers were such a big hit, the fights were more about scanslation groups bickering about who was translating what and drama between members of the same group. Then there was really only one massive problem in the community(Tazmo). It was more rare to see companies go after scanslation groups and online sites as aggressively as they have in the recent years. Get online readers shut down and everything goes back to being underground and more community based rather than solo online readers with mainly the website owner cashing in the dough from stealing other people's work. It's not to say it won't stop sites from stealing people's work, but the effects would be to a lesser degree I'd say.

    This will likely never fly with scanslation groups(at least not the majority), and would actually require more effort from pubishers and mangakas to actually step in instead.


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