Worse than Tazmo ever could be
A Tale of Two Manga Readers
tl ; dr
Originally Posted by cmertb
Read it you lazy ass, it's amusing!
I have forbidden Mangafox a long time ago to host my scanlations cause I knew they're earning up to 30 000$ every month with hosting free scanlations.
But this news just takes the cake.
Please relink this information to other forums, facebook sites, twitter, tumblr, reedit, 4chan, etc.
Make this motherfucker go bleed out of his asshole.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised is all major reader sites are like this. Anybody with even a modicum of intelligence downloads from the scanlator or maybe even a DDL aggregator like ST (or dare I say it, even narutofan). The only reason I can see that someone would choose resized and water marked manga on a reader site is if they didn't know any better, so it's not hard to imagine that someone would try to take advantage of these people.
Considering how many site Yung has, I'm surprised he hasn't had legal action taken against him (although I notice anime-eden doesn't exist anymore).
The problem is, and I think you are aware of this as well, that most leechers simply do not give a shit.
I mean, they're already consuming this media for free rather than paying for it. Would they really care that a 3rd party is benefiting from the scanlators' work? Nope.
As to why anyone would choose "resized and watermarked manga" on an online reader site, the answer is simple, really. One word: convenience. To be quite honest, if it's some shitty weekly shonen series that in all honestly is poorly translated/typeset anyway, I'm not going to bother firing up IRC, connecting to their irc channel and all that jazz. Or alternatively, navigating their website and waiting x seconds for rapidfire downloads.
So yea, online readers are here to stay. And no matter how much bad press they receive, they will be here to stay.
Wish I thought of it first
Hoho~ I predict a fate similar to One Manga coming for mangafox...
I agree with be0wulf. I actually do what he says.
Another aspect is, that I donīt want to download those things on my pc anymore... I know that thereīs very little chance to be sued or something, but I read (mostly) read the chapters only one time anyway.
And I hate being forced to download them. But on the other side, I totally understand scanlators who donīt want to be fucked with ( mortenīs group for example, they donīt want their scans uploaded...but that happens anyway...).
Here's the thing blue, every single image, letter, video stream, etc that you view on the internet, is downloaded to your computer whether you like it or not. ALL data is downloaded to your computer and viewed locally. So even if you haven't deliberately saved a chapter or even a single page, it is still there in your temporary internet files.
this this this this. it's so easy. if it's some shit like naruto i don't even read the words. i just click through and see how the chapter ends.
Originally Posted by be0wulf
it is nice that some scan groups host an online reader like mangastream. but when all of it is aggregated into one place why would you go to more than one site?
Its true. Were past the point where it matters. The internet is simply a place to 'get shit'. People don't give a damn where they get it from. And for the people that do care, they will figure it out a give credit where its due.
People are fools for paying for it, but if their ignorant enough to do so, thats their problem.
I'm going to be completely honest. I think the only way to have any effect is to get all online readers shut down, period. I personally think people in general overlook how valuable online readers are to such a niche crowd, and don't realize how much of a godsend/luxury it is. It seems like it's a case of either we can have online readers or we can't.
If we do continue to have them, too many people can make too easy and quick of a profit on them with ill intent. While if we don't have them, there's still the fact that others will continue to make money off other people's works but to a much lesser degree. Mainly because it would require people to actually make a real effort(somewhat) to getting manga again.
This might seem crazy, but really think about it. Before online readers were such a big hit, the fights were more about scanslation groups bickering about who was translating what and drama between members of the same group. Then there was really only one massive problem in the community(Tazmo). It was more rare to see companies go after scanslation groups and online sites as aggressively as they have in the recent years. Get online readers shut down and everything goes back to being underground and more community based rather than solo online readers with mainly the website owner cashing in the dough from stealing other people's work. It's not to say it won't stop sites from stealing people's work, but the effects would be to a lesser degree I'd say.
This will likely never fly with scanslation groups(at least not the majority), and would actually require more effort from pubishers and mangakas to actually step in instead.
Also, holy crap, it's Tetnubis. You live!