Thread: Stick to the man!

Well said Luphrecio! That's what I think atleast.

I'm not so sure about the return to IRC thingie... even for people to know how to use it (and still use it even while writing this reply :P)
There's lack of any centralized channel whose bots/file servers offer all the scans, sorted and updated, like all the readers that got taken down did. Or at least there's no easily avaiable info for any.

Originally Posted by TheBard

There's lack of any centralized channel whose bots/file servers offer all the scans, sorted and updated, like all the readers that got taken down did. Or at least there's no easily avaiable info for any.

#lurk's not up anymore?! I haven't been on IRC in ages, but that was always a great thing. What happened?

This issue sure suck. I might leave manga if things escalate. There's go one of my obsession...

Originally Posted by Digital_Eon

#lurk's not up anymore?! I haven't been on IRC in ages, but that was always a great thing. What happened?

nothing permanent I hope, it seems they had issues with their host that suspended their service or something, not really sure, talking about it risks you a ban in the channel it seems :P
They will go up again eventually, just noone knows when.

I haven't been using irc to download in ages but I guess that now it's time to go back, too bad I don't know where to go or look for since I can't be arsed to go get the scans to the website of each scan group

Originally Posted by be0wulf

Besides, it's not like nobody saw this coming. Scanlation was secretive for a reason. By offering the really popular manga (e.g. Naruto, Bleach, OP) to just anyone, the American licensers are going to notice. And they will take action.

This is another reason why I never liked online readers. Too easy to expose everyone and it causes the huge domino effect as we're seeing now.

I think the reason why they weren't so aggressive as they are now is because it's been relatively under the radar and things weren't so easily exposed or accessible. I mean, you could just read it on phones nowadays without having to do anything like even signing up for any type of membership. I'm sure all the companies and licensing groups will start really pushing for online viewers that they'll charge for. It's already started with comics and it seems very viable for manga.

I really wondering what's going to happen the community after it's over.

Hmm. I rarely read manga nowadays but I've never been a fan of on-line manga reading sites. These "drastic" changes will be bringing back the community to the basics for a period of time again I guess. For the uninformed, here's a bit of history:

http://insidescanlation.com/history/index.html

Can't help but feel a bit nostalgic.

I hope this isn't going to turn into one of those "piracy vs. copyright" debates because frankly, the scanlation community has nothing to stand on.

Originally Posted by wanderlustee

Hmm. I rarely read manga nowadays but I've never been a fan of on-line manga reading sites. These "drastic" changes will be bringing back the community to the basics for a period of time again I guess. For the uninformed, here's a bit of history:

http://insidescanlation.com/history/index.html

Can't help but feel a bit nostalgic.

I posted the site awhile back. Highly recommend it to anyone who's even slightly interested in the history of scanlation.

Originally Posted by vphamv

This is another reason why I never liked online readers. Too easy to expose everyone and it causes the huge domino effect as we're seeing now.

I think the reason why they weren't so aggressive as they are now is because it's been relatively under the radar and things weren't so easily exposed or accessible. I mean, you could just read it on phones nowadays without having to do anything like even signing up for any type of membership. I'm sure all the companies and licensing groups will start really pushing for online viewers that they'll charge for. It's already started with comics and it seems very viable for manga.

I really wondering what's going to happen the community after it's over.

It'll probably just go back to the way it was before, i.e. the readers would have to DL from IRC/torrents. I mean, if the RIAA can't stop music piracy, I doubt foreign publishers can stop scanlation.

p.s. I guess mangaupdates will see a small jump in traffict now that the big online readers are down =P

Originally Posted by vphamv

The casual readers, which I would say are the majority in the manga reading world, love to use online readers.

IRC is too much hassle for casuals nowadays. Before online readers were really popular, you could sorta attempt to get them to try IRC out, but it seems in this day and age people consider it too much effort for something they don't care too much about.

With the now super aggressive attempt to take down sites, I think IRC will probably start being used a lot more now.

what does casual reader even mean? where do you draw the line between a casual and not a casual? cause declaring yourself not casual seems like you're some manga overlord and all the peasants using online readers is what inconvenienced you. you can't make up arbitrary lines with no real criteria to assist your point and appeal to most people's opinion that they are "hardcore"

oh gosh dat kinda sounds mean. dgaf stubby is a big boy

i mentioned why i used online readers earlier in this thread: there's no reason to download the majority of what i read and be0 has the same thought process

Originally Posted by be0wulf

Stubby here nailed it. Considering the quality (or lack thereof) of most scanlation groups out there today, there really is no incentive for me to download their releases from their website/IRC when I can just read it on a website. I'll archive manga I really really enjoy, but for the weekly SJ stuff...I'm honestly too lazy to spend the 5 minutes to look up the scanlator's IRC chan, triggers, download it, and open up CDisplay.

Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel

what does casual reader even mean? where do you draw the line between a casual and not a casual? cause declaring yourself not casual seems like you're some manga overlord and all the peasants using online readers is what inconvenienced you. you can't make up arbitrary lines with no real criteria to assist your point and appeal to most people's opinion that they are "hardcore"

oh gosh dat kinda sounds mean. dgaf stubby is a big boy

i mentioned why i used online readers earlier in this thread: there's no reason to download the majority of what i read and be0 has the same thought process

Exactly what Be0 described himself and my response to CPR. He's not going after manga every day, he's just reading it whenever and however is the easiest way to get it.

I never declared myself anything, nor did I say anything about "hardcore" readers. I'm just talking about the majority who read the scanslations.