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    BlueDemon is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    So if you want to mourn and remember, that's your right and prerogative. But in the spirit of fairness, you should not expect and demand that everyone else does the same. They may have bigger tragedies of their own, and may be a bit annoyed at the attitude demonstrated by the 9/11 mourners, and will perhaps even point this out.
    That´s exactly what he said Jyuu. And he didn´t say anything about ignoring it, he only said there are other tragedies that shouldn´t be forgotten.

    And damn, it doesn´t matter where or how people die, the relatives and close one will always mourn. What the media does with it etc. is something entirely different ( this as response to Saizou´s last quoted sentence.)

    And I find it really amazing how you avoid to talk about the other issue Saizou talked about, and then talk about respect and "being a dick about it"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu View Post
    If people choose to honour the dead, let them. Who are you to say they shouldn't do it?
    And when, pray tell me, did I say anything like that?

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    It's their right. If Iraqi people don't honour theirs, that's their problem. You're just being disrespectful.
    Are you suggesting that the Iraqi people do not honour their dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    They are not downplaying any other tragedy. It's just that it's their choice to remember this one. If YOU want to remember other tragedies, you are free to do so.

    But you obviously aren't doing anything other than whine.
    Yes, because you obviously have encyclopedial knowledge of my life and what I have or have not done to help the victims of tragedies. Really now, let us keep this discussion above the level of unsubstantiated speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    I really don't give half a damn about the 9/11 attacks, but I do respect the amount of respect they are showing towards the dead. If you feel so concerned about other tragedies or natural disasters, really, be my guest and start raising funds to commemorate those as well.

    Again, you need to understand it's their choice to put 9/11 in a special place in their memories. You really are free to ignore it if you find it so annoying. But you really shouldn't be a dick about it.
    It is curious how often people see someone who tells the truth as disrespectful.

    And it's also curious how you act all blasé with regards to the suffering of the Iraqi people (war is war, amirite?), while getting all pissy about people who in your mind don't show the requisite respect for 9/11, especially when the sentiments people have expressed is that 9/11 recieves disproportionate attention, not that 9/11 was the best thing since sliced bread. How is is disrespectful to point out that America takes this whole 9/11 thing way over the top?

    But obviously saying that 9/11 is overhyped is disrepectful, but the blanket dismissal of the deaths and maimings of tens of thousands and the plunging of an entire country into de facto civil war and tribalism with the argument that bad stuff happens in war isn't. Especially when that very same argument, if true, morally justifies the 9/11 attacks as well (war is war, amirite?).

    And then you have the gall to actually talk about compassion and throw insults around you when your argumentation so far has been a textbook example in rather callous double standards and what we usually call making shit up. If nothing else that takes some cojones, I'll grant you that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon
    And damn, it doesn´t matter where or how people die, the relatives and close one will always mourn. What the media does with it etc. is something entirely different ( this as response to Saizou´s last quoted sentence.)
    See, I get that the friends and families of the victims mourn, that's entirely understandable. I also get that the nation would show proper respect for the victims, this is also the right thing to do.

    But even so, there should be some proportionality. 9/11 has been turned into a myth, and in my mind that really cheapens the tragedy itself.

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    ^Yes, but as I said, the Media and the politicians do this (as propaganda if you will) - and not the mourning people. (or that´s how I see it anyway...)

    And you should have let it be with my post, I said exactly what you did (in a way at least). It really has no sense discussing this any further, dead people remain dead. Respect or not , commemoration or not , they are and will remain dead. It depends on your morals and your beliefs if they will remain "alive" in your heart, or not.

    We should try to concentrate on being able to cooperate and live together, but till we reach that aim a lot of work and time has to be invested...

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    Saizou you won the argument too quickly. Jyuu don't give up. Let the forum live just a little longer.

    Kinda on topic: I personally care very little to not at all about 9/11. Shit happens right? Who cares unless it affects you directly right? And if it does affect you life goes on right? It's not surprising that shit happens since life sucks anyways right? Nothing I can do about it right? You live your life selfishly gaining as much pleasure as you can, for as long as you can until you breathe your last right? Well you also want those close to you to do the same right? In the end you live then you die right? Without death life would have little meaning right? This string of inconsistent and partly contradictory sentences has gone on long enough right?

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    ^Right.



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    I dont care a lot about 9/11, just as I dont care about a lot other events.

    It changed the world situation, thats why its remembered... not because of people dieing.

    And thats the real shitty thing about all those 9/11 mourners.
    Saying its about all those people dieing, and in reality its about politics and pride.
    Pride of being invincible, which was hurt back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    I dont care a lot about 9/11, just as I dont care about a lot other events.

    It changed the world situation, thats why its remembered... not because of people dieing.

    And thats the real shitty thing about all those 9/11 mourners.
    Saying its about all those people dieing, and in reality its about politics and pride.
    Pride of being invincible, which was hurt back then.
    Haha wow.

    STFU before you make a bigger fool of yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    Pride of being invincible, which was hurt back then.
    Scored.
    and America is still butthurt in Afghanistan and still moaning why the rest of the world isn't more like POLAND

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    This was the first year I was curious how people outside of the NY area felt about 9/11.

    It hit here REALLY hard.... I live in NJ.

    One of my friend was going to work that day. He was at the Holland Tunnel stuck in traffic and was observing the planes thinking... "that plane is flying awfully low--OMG THAT DID NOT JUST HAPPEN?!?!?!!?" Another friend told me her uncle died in that towers. He was a firefighter not even on duty during the time but he went anyway to the towers because he HAD to help.

    My mom used to work a few blocks away from the towers. Evacuating Manhattan was extremely hard; she couldn't see outside her window. The air was completely black. She had to catch a ferry (which she usually never does) to get back to New Jersey. Her boss had to be hosed down though before they got to Jersey cause they were afraid he was carrying leftover chemicals from after-wtc-destruction.

    My aunt worked in the towers.

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    she's alive though. thankfully, she was out voting and late to work that day. (primaries were that day)

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