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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartlessfang View Post
    This person is confusing humans vs. nature with fate vs. choice. the way the author talks about nature makes me think s/he is really talking about God and believes that human action is the will of God and thus not man's fault. This I do not agree on. Whether God exists or not I believe human beings make their own choices and that those choices hold consequences.
    The problems concerning nature is the fact that humans make light of their consequences, for the sake of progress, and assume there is always time to correct the problem or that whatever damage is done is so little when compared to the rest of the world. These assumptions might be true if the destruction of nature was an isolated event in a few countries, but as it is every country in the world is contributing to the problem and things only get worse as the world population increases. So the real human vs. nature argument is really one of progress vs. balance. If mankind continues making the choice to forsake nature in pursuit of progress it had best focus it's energies in finding a way to sustain its self in the future as of the last time I checked human beings were still dependent on nature to survive and time is running out. If humans decide to find a balance with nature progress will suffer, but we will also gain time. The question is how patient are we?

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    There never was human vs nature, only human vs human, those who care and those who doesn't, if you wonder, me is among the latter.

    Nature didn't lose anything, extinction of a species will not be the end of nature, nor will it affect nature. Rather it a natural occurrence. Repeatable occurrence. Species dies and species emerge.

    Nature can and will restart itself long after human gone and can do without any human interference. For nature, time is irrelevance, not so for human.

    So,we are NOT helping nature, rather, we are trying to HELP ourselves to not become extinct. Maybe we can do it, maybe we cannot. Well, I don't care about that. Its rather irrelevance. I won't live past normal human age, so it doesn't matter to me anyway. Pity my future children huh. Human are selfish creature to begin with and die like that to end with. That why they rule the earth, for now. Then again, maybe 4- 5 million years later, we have crocodile man roaming the earth replacing human. hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by NibellungenValasty View Post
    Then again, maybe 4- 5 million years later, we have crocodile man roaming the earth replacing human. hahahaha
    No, we'll have velociraptors. They are obviously superior creatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    No, we'll have velociraptors. They are obviously superior creatures.
    And then they will give rise to philosoraptors, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    No, we'll have velociraptors. They are obviously superior creatures.
    That would be interesting indeed. I need a delorean to see that hahaha.

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    At first I tought this would be the old and infallible Nature V. Nurture (Nature, by the by). Anyway, her argument is pretty weak, considering it's just the beliefs of a fatalist spelled out. There's nothing there to support "It's gonna happen because it was supposed to!", so.....No argument. I know nature is more or less the multitude of biosystems of Earth, reacting and such, but I believe if nature were a sentient thing, it would attempt to preserve itself. Think about it. If animals and trees had the mental fortitude of humans, of COURSE they would try to stay alive. And in this day and age, Survival of the Fittest is a pipe dream. I wish it were true. What with all the obesity in America, we might finally slim the fuck down.........Wow I typed a lot. *Packs up the soapbox*
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